tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post7458895991179819784..comments2024-03-18T12:52:48.117-07:00Comments on Mini-Microsoft: Microsoft FY07Q4 ResultsWho da'Punkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18205453956191063442noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-59290811663733884072007-08-25T13:47:00.000-07:002007-08-25T13:47:00.000-07:00"wishes we would all shut the bleep up and go kick..."wishes we would all shut the bleep up and go kick Google's ass."<BR/><BR/>That's precisely what I point to whenever I want to show someone what's wrong with MS. You're focused on your competition, not your customers. <BR/><BR/>Do you think anyone at Google gives a rat's ass about MS's latest attempt to "kick Google's ass"? Let me give you a free clue: the entirety of MSFT is somewere around #MAX_LONG on Google's list of concerns. Want to know what people in a vibrant, growing company think about all day? They ask themselves "how can we make this better for our CUSTOMERS?", just like Apple does, just like Virgin Atlantic does, just like Sun did once upon a time.<BR/><BR/>Who was the genius who decided on this WGA bullshit that's buggering customer's XP and Vista installs as we speak? In a CUSTOMER-focused company, everyone in the chain of command that made that boneheaded decision to treat your CUSTOMERS as thieves by default would be fired over this.<BR/><BR/>Man, sometimes I don't know why I even bother to yell at you people. You're so pathetic you buy Ray Ozzie as a "vision" guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-40029074266983800372007-08-25T11:50:00.000-07:002007-08-25T11:50:00.000-07:00http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070825-wind...http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070825-windows-genuine-advantage-suffers-worldwide-outage-problems-galore.html<BR/><BR/>There are no words. <BR/><BR/>Microsoft had better become a customer-focused company in a hurry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-68433003477484931982007-08-01T08:06:00.000-07:002007-08-01T08:06:00.000-07:00Come on mini, this conversation is simply hateful,...<I>Come on mini, this conversation is simply hateful, and really shouldn't be published.</I><BR/><BR/>I give you the last word.Who da'Punkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205453956191063442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-46951180654372428472007-08-01T07:25:00.000-07:002007-08-01T07:25:00.000-07:00Uh... hating on pregnant women? First, they are a...Uh... hating on pregnant women? <BR/><BR/>First, they are a PROTECTED CLASS UNDER THE ADA. You're observations and proposed actions are unethical, and illegal.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, it reflects horribly on your status as a caring human being. It also reflects poorly on your maturity. What do you propose, forced sterilization of all MSFT employees? <BR/><BR/>Come on mini, this conversation is simply hateful, and really shouldn't be published.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921850768321860750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-26408907325713250492007-07-31T23:58:00.000-07:002007-07-31T23:58:00.000-07:00As a shareholder / employee I am sick of the prefe...<I>As a shareholder / employee I am sick of the preferential treatment being given to some part time woman.</I><BR/><BR/>The abuses of parenting leave and parenting status are definately quite costly. First one to leave and the last one to arrive always have some child care excuses and everyone else picks up the slack. Call out their lack of dedication on a review, and HR is at your doorstep (yes, kids, HR sometimes sides with the employee, not the manager).<BR/><BR/>I'd love to see parents have to pay the extra coverage for insurance as well. Maybe we could get a great dental plan with the resulting cost savings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-10366013866200747512007-07-31T17:18:00.000-07:002007-07-31T17:18:00.000-07:00As a shareholder / employee I am sick of the prefe...As a shareholder / employee I am sick of the preferential treatment being given to some part time woman. There are three woman in the Windows marketing team that work 3 days a week on some key projects. It’s a total nightmare to get any work done. The vendors and other team members end up getting the raw deal. We are expected to pick up the slack and the project and budget are suffering. To add insult to injury; certain women who have been on the team for a few months are taking a third vacation AND we are launching in October!! Windows Home Server management is off their rockers. I support working mothers (I am one) but this is ludicrous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-26433844924847993992007-07-31T16:21:00.000-07:002007-07-31T16:21:00.000-07:00"I really am trying not to be a broken record, but..."I really am trying not to be a broken record, but NAME NAMES!"<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I'm only a peon and it would naming my second-line manager - which would almost immediately finger me. I can tell you the larger org, but that would be pretty meaningless. There are dozens if not hundreds of managers in the org (Office) and you wouldn't know which to avoid.<BR/><BR/>There are also great managers here. But we can't name the bad ones because we'll get pinned to the wall, beaten, dragged around the floor, and then told it's our fault for not reading someone's mind 6 months ago or for raising questions without having three potential solutions for each one, which we ourselves can implement, of course.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Charlie. Folks who are higher up in the food chain (where there are lots and lots of potential ratters) will have to take that bold step of naming the bad and the ugly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-23390450231465021192007-07-31T02:38:00.000-07:002007-07-31T02:38:00.000-07:00>Number of times Jon addresses "lack of transparen...<I>>Number of times Jon addresses "lack of transparency of the SPSA" 1</I><BR/>Not gonna change unless the entire business world changes its rules on executive compensation. Good luck with that.<BR/><BR/><I>>Number of times Jon addresses the review process: 0<BR/>>Number of times Jon addresses HR problems: 0<BR/>>Number of times Jon addresses stock reevaluation issues: 0</I><BR/>1) Jon doesn't work for HR<BR/>2) Lisa already said no to all of these or is making the changes she intends to make.<BR/><BR/><I>>Number of times Jon addresses the X-box $1 billion charge fiasco: 0<BR/>>Number of times Jon addresses Vista problems: 0<BR/>>Number of times Jon addresses Zune problems: 0<BR/>>Number of times Jon addresses Search problems: 0</I><BR/>Jon doesn't work for any of these groups either, sport.<BR/><BR/><I>>Number of times Jon directly attacks management in any specific way: 0</I><BR/>He's sending them a courteous letter asking for change, which beats your snotty arrogance by a mile. <BR/><BR/>If you want to "attack" in a way that will get noticed though, you're more than welcome to try to start a full blown shareholder revolt. Good luck with that too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-35483497467680710212007-07-30T21:53:00.000-07:002007-07-30T21:53:00.000-07:00A few comments on Jon and his movement:1. Jon has ...A few comments on Jon and his movement:<BR/><BR/>1. Jon has engineering chops: prefix, prefast. He knows his stuff and prefix / prefast has benefited us core technical folks, and our customers (by seeing fewer bugs). For that Jon, all our products are better because of you.<BR/><BR/>2. Jon is not a "leader" any more than Robert Scoble was. He's a loud coherent voice with technical stature due to #1. He has no org, no product, no revenue. In fact, he's out of a job as of July 1, and is scrambling for funding and an organizational home -- part of me thinks that if he does get let go, it means something actually works at Microsoft.<BR/><BR/>3. Jon's movement (Ad Astra) is noble but flawed. Flaw #1 -- too much Jon, not enough movement. His personality and posturing obscures any culture change message. You can see that in his posts here. <BR/><BR/>Flaw #2 -- very few "core contributors" are signed up for Ad Astra. Lots of v- (contractors) talking about making Microsoft (a company they do not technically work for) a better place. Lots of fake tech (MSIT, HRIT, UE, TAP) ogling the mash-ups. Lots of non-tech (marketing, training/learning) looking for a friendlier work environment. Very few developers shipping actual products.<BR/><BR/>Why is that? See flaw #1, and perhaps the fact that for core contributors, Microsoft isn't really all that messed up.<BR/><BR/>Maybe (tongue in the vicinity of cheek) it's just the wussy non-core non-tech folks who can't hack the aggressive environment but think they deserve the same kudos as those who can, coupled with a few a-hole managers who screw over some of the core contributors.<BR/><BR/>And no, I'm not an HR shill. I'm just a technical contributor/lead who works hard, gets rewarded and rewards others for that work, and wishes we would all shut the bleep up and go kick Google's ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-91155183963700050072007-07-30T16:56:00.000-07:002007-07-30T16:56:00.000-07:00Bill, with all his imperfections, built a company ...<I>Bill, with all his imperfections, built a company on something that's now sorely missing: a desire to win. An HUNGER to win. A PASSION to win. Did it come with being a jerk and not having the slightest clue of how to decently relate to fellow human beings (not to mention how to pick anything more classy than sneakers and jeans)? You bet.</I><BR/><BR/>Right, contention. It did work early with smaller projects but the projects got large and intertwined and the focus switched from delivering something great to the sport of contention. How do we get the vigor back? Ray Ozzie probably knows. One of his lines is: "complexity kills" I'm sure he's given this matter plenty of thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-10073436788897392202007-07-30T14:47:00.000-07:002007-07-30T14:47:00.000-07:00Number of posts on this thread by Jon: 22Number of...Number of posts on this thread by Jon: 22<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses "lack of transparency of the SPSA" 1<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses the X-box $1 billion charge fiasco: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses the review process: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses HR problems: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses stock reevaluation issues: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses Vista problems: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses Zune problems: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon addresses Search problems: 0<BR/>Number of times Jon directly attacks management in any specific way: 0<BR/><BR/>That's it for the issues that most frequently get discussed here. The rest of Jon's posting is about Facebook (why can't somebody else come up with an answer in terms of directing traffic), his "open letter," the lack of "positive tone" on the site, his own lack of anonymity (and what that says about him) and his subjective reactions to posting here and receiving harsh feedback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-60733457488469784422007-07-30T13:52:00.000-07:002007-07-30T13:52:00.000-07:00"...I guess we peons get a little jaded when year ..."...I guess we peons get a little jaded when year after year, managers and execs continue to behave as if only superstars matter and the rest of us are interchangeable cogs and can take a flying leap if we think some positive changes could make a *world* of difference."<BR/><BR/>I really am trying not to be a broken record, but NAME NAMES!<BR/><BR/>No amount if struggling here will change things if noone internally feels the heat. And that won't happen until they are publically called to account.<BR/><BR/>As I've said before, if a named person is unduly vilified, someone here will come to the rescue; likewise, if they are sainted, someone will deflate that balloon.<BR/><BR/>I've never worked with Jon, but I applaud the fact that he can take the heat when people here lay into him.<BR/><BR/>Name Names!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-61093056744100576102007-07-30T12:11:00.000-07:002007-07-30T12:11:00.000-07:00Jon, I told you do not post in your capacity as a ...Jon, I told you do not post in your capacity as a GM. You hurt the blog (may be that's your goal) because now other executives won't dare to post here.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes following ancient advices make sense. One of them is, "Do in Rome as Romans do."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-41079083547011983232007-07-30T11:27:00.000-07:002007-07-30T11:27:00.000-07:00Jon:Thanks for stopping by. Separating the wheat ...Jon:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by. Separating the wheat from the chaff is hard work; whether it's worth it depends on how much wheat you get.<BR/><BR/>So I'm going to try to give you some wheat. The reason the tone here is so negative (and often insulting) is because people are mad. Really, deep-down angry, frustrated, and often bitter. And, as a manager, you need to understand <I>why</I> they're bitter, because it's a cancer eating away at your company. Microsoft may look healthy - the profits are great - but the cancer is there, and the appearance of health won't last forever.<BR/><BR/>Why are the people here so angry? I can't speak for everyone else, and I don't work for Microsoft. I can tell you why <I>I'm</I> angry, and it's relevant to what you've said in your posts, but it's not the reasons for most of the people here.<BR/><BR/>Why am I angry? Go back to what you were saying about using Facebook to drive traffic to your sites. (Your point about needing the marketing as well as good sites was a valid one. But the people who were challenging you were trying - if I understood correctly - to point out that you need compelling sites as well as marketing, and implying that the sites weren't compelling enough, which point you didn't respond to at all.)<BR/><BR/>Here's the problem with driving traffic: I'm the "traffic", and I don't <I>want</I> to be "driven". When you try, I get bad memories. Memories of times in the past when Microsoft has tried to "leverage" something in order to sell something else. But when you, the strategist, see it as "leverage", what it feels like to me is that I'm being <I>forced</I>, and it pisses me off. I resent it. I resent it deeply, and I resent it for <I>years.</I><BR/><BR/>So be very careful how you try to "drive traffic". I actually think Google does this very well. I search for something. They pop up some sponsored links along with the regular search results. Now, often, I just ignore them - they're very non-intrusive, so they're easy to ignore. But the times when I'm looking to buy something, they're very handy. So this "driving traffic" can be done well, but it has to be done in a very non-coercive way. The more intrusive, the more heavy-handed, the more it annoys, offends, and angers us.<BR/><BR/>MSSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-51567165653749272852007-07-30T09:31:00.000-07:002007-07-30T09:31:00.000-07:00>> or most of the successful startups out there --...>> or most of the successful startups out there -- <BR/>>> there's nowhere near as much of this kind of behavior<BR/><BR/>Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true. Somehow I have a hard time believing that people in a startup (or at Google for that matter) can't afford to openly challenge engineering decisions. At Microsoft oftentimes you can't. "Politicians" will bury you, even if you're right. And don't you DARE speaking up against your management - you'll end up without a promo. I know I'd be leveled two levels higher if I kept my mouth shut. That said, I did help the products I worked on by loudly saying things everyone else was afraid to say. And I'm still employed. Just not as successful career-wise as my quieter colleagues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-71306643298689801012007-07-30T05:07:00.000-07:002007-07-30T05:07:00.000-07:00Hi, everybody, it's the open-source guy - thanks f...Hi, everybody, it's the open-source guy - thanks for the "not-so-annoying" tag, Jon! ;) - again.<BR/><BR/>Setting up a Slashcode site requires moderators. Slashdot manages with its <I>karma</I> system, which is reasonably workable - though there are a number of complaints about it. Kurozhin's got a similar system, and I think it works better.<BR/><BR/>But having a distributed moderator system is essential if one person - one Minimsft all alonio - isn't to take all the burden. Because if you want more than one person to contribute, everybody's got to have the same start point, the same "<I>karma</I>". That means everybody from the merest Kim to the loftiest Jon - or even SteveB. In such a site, you don't want contributions judged on employment status - you want them judged on their quality. Their independent worth. Which is why I suggested using O'Reilly's, because that is what their reputation is based on.<BR/><BR/>I would advise - <I><B>seriously</B></I> - against paying moderators <I><B>anything</B></I>. It could pose a major risk to the success of the project. Particularly if the moderators' identities became known, and they were judged to fall too heavily within some Microsoft "<I>party</I>" or "<I>camp</I>". In short, the risk is too high.<BR/><BR/>And in relation to the comment:<BR/><BR/>"<I>Please go away. I feel like we're constantly being harassed by these door-to-door proselytizers. Even the HR shills are less annoying...</I>" if you're thinking I'm the poster who argued:<BR/><BR/>"<I>Microsoft could afford to recognize the sh*tkicking it's getting from Linux.</I>", you're wrong. I'm not so blatant.<BR/><BR/>I will say this, though - I was at a job interview this year, and I found out something interesting - they used Visual Studio C# to develop their apps, since its quality as a tool is quite high - but they then build the entire product in Mono on Linux, because they trust it to just do it. I'll bet they aren't the only ones.<BR/><BR/>So even the success of Microsoft's own C# seems to be tied inextricably to Linux and the Free and Open Source Software communities. Here's a hint - treat us nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-8489029108294083682007-07-29T22:51:00.001-07:002007-07-29T22:51:00.001-07:00Jon,patronizer here.Let me apologize (my turn) for...Jon,<BR/>patronizer here.<BR/><BR/>Let me apologize (my turn) for not making myself clear. Bill, with all his imperfections, built a company on something that's now sorely missing: a desire to win. An HUNGER to win. A PASSION to win. Did it come with being a jerk and not having the slightest clue of how to decently relate to fellow human beings (not to mention how to pick anything more classy than sneakers and jeans)? You bet. Still, pick up a copy of "Who said elephants can't dance" and you'll read Gestner describe a company that sounds terribly like the MSFT I left being eaten alive by the company we used to be. You'll see him struggle to inject some of that hunger back into a company that used to have some, and read of comical (if not tragic) responses from some of the weird creatures that populated IBM in the 80s. The "let me write to the new CEO to tell him how he shouldn't focus on killing competition but on personal improvement" kind ....<BR/><BR/>Somehow, and I hope it's me, you keep reminding me of that IBMer. "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all live in peace and MSFT's motto wasn't the -who's eating your lunch today?- somebody mentioned a few months back?". You bet. Would it make the company more successful? I seriously doubt it.<BR/><BR/>So, in my 0.02, if all it takes for somebody at MSFT to disengage from a conversation is this tone ... well Jon I'm afraid you're doomed. Google? Jon I lost members of my team to Google before I left. They weren't the nice vegetarian kind, they were the true hungry wolves we needed and that just got fed up with our way of splitting the kills. Do I blame them? No. To them that company was what MSFT was to me when I joined: a mean to go eat the lunch of the monopolist's fat cats.<BR/><BR/>Long post, my apologies, just PLEASE don't provoke on the money topic. "We used to make money = we may have insulted each other more but at least the process usually resulted in profitable ideas." I DO want to hope somebody somewhere in the company had enough of a brain to think 'Origami = bad idea' ... somehow however that fight wasn't fought (just like many others) and ... the company paid the bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-39400745952995394392007-07-29T22:51:00.000-07:002007-07-29T22:51:00.000-07:00Guys, just posting to say I'll be too busy next we...Guys, just posting to say I'll be too busy next week to read this blog, thought you should know, kthx.<BR/><BR/>Also, anyone who has criticized me without pouring bags of sugar over their words should know that I will probably ignore you, after all that's what's best for Microsoft and my new policy of Politeness First is why Xbox 360, Vista, and Live are widely heralded as the outstanding products in their respective categories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-32095669583126851982007-07-29T22:46:00.000-07:002007-07-29T22:46:00.000-07:00It's crossed my mind as an outsider that given the...<I>It's crossed my mind as an outsider that given the seeming high level of animosity within your company, what's the likelihood of some things being sabotaged?</I><BR/><BR/>There are a few places in MS that have rotted out, but I can't really say I've ever seen anything going on inside remotely like the cesspool here. The internal poll results don't show that either. <BR/><BR/>Draw your own conclusions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-42389883678035303482007-07-29T22:11:00.000-07:002007-07-29T22:11:00.000-07:00Give Jon some credit. If I made $150K+ by just sit...Give Jon some credit. If I made $150K+ by just sitting in meetings and throwing in an occasional string of buzzwords, I wouldn't even waste the keystrokes here.<BR/><BR/>At least he did something useful in his career - code analysis in VS2005 kicks major booty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-70718165544874818202007-07-29T21:03:00.000-07:002007-07-29T21:03:00.000-07:00Well, all right, that was kind of a cavalier exit;...Well, all right, that <I>was</I> kind of a cavalier exit; my bad. Apologies for the flippancy. Let's try this again ... <BR/><BR/><I>Another thought ... how about lobbying your peers - anyone at director level or above - to sign up for a weekend of MM duty?</I><BR/><BR/>Something I hadn't mentioned explicitly (although I certainly hope people were assuming this) is that I've passed the link to this thread around pretty broadly (including to peers and execs), and mentioned it in person to quite a few people as well.<BR/><BR/>Questions those of you who want more engagement might ask yourselves: when people at Microsoft read this thread, do you think they'll be any more likely to show up here? After my experiences here, am I likely to lobby them to do so?<BR/><BR/>patronizer wrote, in response to my "Times change": <I>I will avoid the too easy "sure, and we used to make money too" comment.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, Microsoft makes more money now than it ever has; however, that shouldn't obscure the underlying point here... <BR/><BR/>This kind of insulting, attacking disrespectful behavior -- at Microsoft, on this blog -- is a relic of a past time. <BR/><BR/>If you look at newer, hugely successful companies like Google and Facebook -- or most of the successful startups out there -- there's nowhere near as much of this kind of behavior. This helps their creativity, agility, employee morale, recruiting, diversity* -- in short, their business.<BR/><BR/>"Bill does it too!" is certainly a valid part of the explanation for why this is still too common at Microsoft -- but it's not an excuse for anybody who engages in it. If you want things to be different, start acting the way you want your company to be.<BR/><BR/>The poster who pointed out that I could prioritize Mini more next week is completely right. I'm choosing not to; and not to sound like a broken record or anything, but the tone here is a big part of the reason why. <BR/><BR/>Would I (and others who think like me) hang out here more if there's enough value? Maybe. Is there value? Potentially, and there may also be ways to improve the environment.<BR/><BR/>So I decided to try an experiment. It's too early to know the results (early returns are mixed); we shall see.<BR/><BR/><BR/>jon<BR/><BR/><BR/>* see for example Susan Herring's <A HREF="http://rkcsi.indiana.edu/archive/CSI/WP/WP01-05B.html" REL="nofollow">Gender and Power in Online Communications</A> for how this attacking and insulting style of discourse marginalizes women -- and Scott Page's <A HREF="http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~spage/theDifferenceFiles/thedifference.html" REL="nofollow">The Difference</A> on the costs of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-16759053009437872972007-07-29T18:11:00.000-07:002007-07-29T18:11:00.000-07:00You're older than my five years oldAnd that's abou...<I>You're older than my five years old</I><BR/><BR/>And that's about as much as you're going to get out of Jon. He's a wannabe provocateur, thinking that his various personality issues (about which you can read more than you'll ever want to know on the internal blog) make him special. He equates an outlandish personal appearance and its effect on others as being visionary, forward thinking and a means of serious recognition, when all it really accomplishes is make him a freak show.<BR/><BR/>Good job though, Jon, you've managed to consume a lot of bandwidth here and get at least some naive dimwits thinking someone in management gives a crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-46127191348305068702007-07-29T17:16:00.000-07:002007-07-29T17:16:00.000-07:00It's crossed my mind as an outsider that given the...It's crossed my mind as an outsider that given the seeming high level of animosity within your company, what's the likelihood of some things being sabotaged? If it happens at NASA, why not MS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-54609122165461174712007-07-29T10:52:00.000-07:002007-07-29T10:52:00.000-07:00Jon, if you really took Mini seriously then you co...Jon, if you really took Mini seriously then you could find time for Mini next week too. Basically, you put Mini at your lowest priority commitment and that's why you do not have time. You could keep continue investing in Mini and say that you are too busy to something else. You probably have to spend only 15 minutes a day in Mini.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7555958.post-55119449313614695292007-07-28T21:18:00.000-07:002007-07-28T21:18:00.000-07:00"Rather than tiptoe around MM (like the proverbial..."Rather than tiptoe around MM (like the proverbial elephant in the living room) how about if we do more to embrace it?"<BR/><BR/>+1 for this whole post. Could do a lot to help people feel more "heard" and maybe (dare we hope?) provide some engagement by people who can actually make changes, or explain why they're not.<BR/><BR/>But given that even on the internal site, most guest posters (which I think is kind of the equivalent to what you're suggesting here) simply blather about their own pet improvement/project/announcement and ignore most of the actual concerns (there are several notable exceptions, granted), seems reallllly unlikely that on an outside forum they'd do differently.<BR/><BR/>More's the pity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com