Wednesday, September 03, 2008

(tap tap tap) Is This Thing On?

(tap tap tap... is this thing on?)

Review Season: well, just about everyone should have their reviews and numbers by now or very very soon - at least by the time you get your next automatic deposit! Given that address book updates went out the beginning of this week (for titles that are no longer opaque thanks to the CSPs) I've barged into more than one conversation of "Can you believe that <fill in the blank> was promoted to- oh! Hi."

Personally, while I still deeply appreciate not having to fork over sacrificial 3.0 reviews, I am still seeing, for all of my organization, okay compensation numbers for great work. And freaking-fantastic numbers for super-star work (salary schmalary for those people). That is how our system is set up and for those individual super-stars, it works out very very well. But by necessity, it requires great workers to get okay compensation in order to put the super in super-rewards.

And if it makes you angry, put that energy into networking around Microsoft for a new position or spiffing up that resume and seeing what other opportunities there are.

Company Meeting ahoy: not too long until the 2008 Microsoft Company Meeting. For any new readers: I absolutely love the Company Meeting, though last year's Company Meeting certainly tried my patience... like that Sweetheart that starts being a a real dick to make you break up with them. Things on my wish list for this year's Meeting, kind of echoing that old post:

  • Very few demos: at least, any demos there are should be short, fast, new vs. repackaged, and presented as if you were doing a power demo to the smartest people in the world. Cos you sorta are. And goodness, no calls for helps if your demo goes belly up.
  • Ballmer early: Ballmer gave a fantastic and interesting speech last year. Which most people didn't hear because their endurance gave out long before. I'd still expect him to be the end-of-day blood-rushing presenter. But I hope he can show up early to either kick things off or serve as a punch to keep things going.
  • Shaking Money Makers: time to show off Win7 and Office 14. Well, if you're like me you get to see them a lot everyday, but there needs to be a highly condensed so fast you miss half of what you see demo spurt of Win7 and O14, along with teasers of other emerging properties. They are our financial foundation and while most of the development work is done for them and we have at least a year before they surf through DCRs and stabilization, the employees deserve a peep show here.
  • New Blood: thanks to our great Town Halls, I kinda don't need to hear from our executive leadership team. I'd like to see some new, up-and-coming blood on stage vs. the same-old-same-old. And please, we're geeks, so make sure the new blood is geek-o-riffic like the rest of us vs. those country club shiny people that popped up so much last year. <<Shudder>> How about some Microspotting interludes?
  • Surprises: we come to this to be surprised and see things before (most) anyone else. Get CliffyB on stage to demo Gears of Wars 2 or something. Show us the new Halo stuff. The new 120GB Zune and interesting new Zune software features. Something. I won't blog about it. Cross my heart. Just please don't make the Xbox or Zune seem as lame and empty as they did last year. Here's Apple popping out another special event soon. Pop 'em back.
  • The Great Seinfield Reconciliation Paradox: or, time to show us the new ad campaign and how we have a coherent brand strategy that makes sense. There are a lot of fronts of our business with aggressive competitors that we're slipping in (mobile, gaming, television, OS, browsing, consumer). Time to see that not only do we realize this, we have a plan to meet and exceed. And goodness help you if your advertising solution to this involves some guy stuck in a big vat of orange goo in a barren landscape bragging how he can still check his Outlook email on his Windows Mobile Device. What?
  • Logistics: man, be on the first bus out of Redmond if you want to enjoy the Company Meeting. I usually leave as soon as I can but I'm still there after things have started. And I feel bad being into the third or fourth presentation and seeing a line of charter buses still making their way to Safeco Field. I do hope our buses figure different routes to get to the same point. And non-Microsofties: stay the heck away from Safeco field on 9/18/08.
  • No Paper: how about you sit down on the floor / first level and get pelted with poorly made paper airplanes for the whole meeting? That should be your penalty if you are involved in the least in distributing any paper to the Microsofties as they come in to Safeco.

Am I right in that they've dropped the whole best manager competition? Hmm. Guess after that one winner we exhausted all the candidates. What do you want to see at the Company Meeting or have the leadership talk about?

Old Business: it has been a while. The next thing I planned to write about was the Word from Wall Street with Charles Di Bona and Dylan Yolles from back near the end of July. Colleen, you crack me up, asking if Mr. DiBona was Mini-Microsoft. I wish! And Charlie, you could never disappoint me. Dividends. Buy back. Whatever.

Anyway, one interesting impression I got out of the vibe from the analysts: Microsoft leadership, time is up. Time is up to have us trust that you have a super secret plan that will really, truly work any year now. You went and convinced us that you have a huge vulnerability with respect to the online world by that totally confused and befuddled attempt to acquire Yahoo! and now you give us no specifics about what you're doing. Other than spending a whole hell of a lot of money (nice: You're telling us that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Only, that rainbow is going to cost a lot of money to build to get us to that pot). Time's up.

I disagree with Mr. Yolles about the consumer market.vs. the enterprise market. If anything, we've suffered in doing so much for the enterprise market that most of the features are either user hostile (look, I can shut you out of using a USB drive) or just non-interesting. I think you can have both. There's a bunch of money walking around in the pockets of everyday people.

As for our huge cash reserve: now that we're not buying Yahoo! (right, right?) what to do? Not a dividend! But a big buyback of our stock. There was a rumor a couple of weeks ago that a buyback was under consideration, but nothing's come of it since.

An interesting observation was made that Google's Android has been created with 30 people at Google. That makes analysts look at how many people are responsible for Windows Mobile and ask, "Why? Why so many people? Why so much overhead? How do the results match up?" This feeds a desire now for some picking around in our overhead of our groups. Not a place our leadership wants to be, but a hard question that goes unanswered: what the hell do you need all these people for, anyway? Can you get by with less?

Yes. Of course we can. If you had to lose 10% of your group, not only would you get by, you'd receive a new sort of clarity about what was truly important vs. distracting. Our over abundance of people allows us to overwhelm our work with marginal, half-thought-out features to keep the mediocre C contributors busy and lets us go into the weeds pursuing edge cases. Ah, well, tired of listening to this same broken record?

Final take-away: Microsoft has to demonstrate that it is efficient and effective. What does that look like?


Administrivia: apologies for being away for an extended duration. It was a necessary departure and absence to be elsewhere with a situation that required my full attention. Best wishes to you to avoid such experiences for a long, long time. I'm about to go through... fifty pending comments. Whew. Where's that wine bottle?


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Anonymous said...

I know that a fair manager would try to reward the top performers in such a way that they'll get great reviews sooner or later, so not all top performers will get great reviews every year because we have the *&^%$#@$*( curve . They know we have a curve and they try to reward different top performers year after year and this is fair. However, this kind of manager is one in 20. A typical bad manager would reward the same folks every year or almost every year.

Hate to break it to you, but the good manager is the one who rewards his top performers year after year. Everyone else has to fight to get to the point where they are a top performer. If you get a chance, read the chapter on differntiation in Winning.

Where Microsoft fails miserably is in applying differntiation effectively. For one, Welch is clear that one of the goals of differentiation is to force people to evaluate if they are in the wrong job, yet our internal transfer process does not support this as well as it should.

Anonymous said...

Started in Nov. 08 so this was a part-year review. But:

- L61 (engineering...)
- Achieved/70% ['at the top' for what that's worth]
- Merit: 2%
- Bonus: 10%
- Stock: 170%
Base comp now $99,5.

Anonymous said...

SDE II:
Exceeded/20%
Merit: 6%
Bonus: 14%
Stock: 175%

Anonymous said...

Office is not so much stingy as cowardly when it comes to marketing. When 40+% people are getting exceededed's it greatly dilutes the reward poool for that real top 10%. Managers need to make harder choices and drop people down.

I think that the talk of not differentiating 20%/exceeded which is what we do is an absolute cop out.

Anonymous said...

Ballmer is still an embarrassment and needs to be sent back to making inedible brownies at Dunan Hines where he belongs.

Anonymous said...

"And no one will give Zune a second thought again."

Are they now? Sorry, I forgot... it's not about marketshare. Well, at least not anymore.

Anonymous said...

(overseas guy)
L62
Achieved/70%
Merit: 4.5%
Bonus: 9%
Stock: 80% (14K)

Eehh. Well, recently moved into a new org, got the best manager I've ever seen in the last 11 years @ MS; but man, there is no time for foreplay anymore...

As some of the commenters also highlighted, if you're not in Seattle - especially in one of the medium/small subs - there is so little place for technical people to move on. You're doomed or you really need to be creative while choosing your next step.

I had role changes every 2 years or so to be able to keep the $$ figures moving - just been into the 6 number club ...

Hopefully saling up to our Starter around midyear if we could convince the VC's.

Anonymous said...

What is salary compression and what is ABM?

Anonymous said...

PM
1.5% merit
5% bonus
60% stock

A/10

Anonymous said...

PM - II

Achieved 70%
2.5% merit
9% bonus
50% stock

Anonymous said...

L62
Exceeded/70
Merit: 5%
Bonus: 12%
Stock: 110%

Given the bonus percentage (and the fact that I'll throw in the towel the moment the right opportunity comes up), I don't give a crap about stock.

Anonymous said...

Here are my numbers...
L66, Finance
Rating - Exceeded, 10%
Merit increase - 4.5% / $6,866
Bonus - 22% / $33,402
Stock - 100% / $82,500

Anonymous said...

This is going on a bit in my team; from Reeling in the Yearlings:

"Aw, c'mon," Freddie said with disbelief. "I know all kinds of creative types who just got big promotions."

"That's because they met an even higher standard than cleverness that makes up for the fact that they are creative," Caroline answered.

"And what's that?"

"They threatened to leave the company."

Anonymous said...

Underperform/10%.

Average review score will be ~4, promo rate ~2 years.

Only difference between last year (good review) and this year is the change on management.

No previous warning or heads up, or anything, just dropped the boom at review time. Mid year review was ok.

My manager and her manager (GPM) are not able to give me a solid reason for these results.

I am seriously thinking of going to talk to HR about it, but at the same time I think is going to be a waste of time and even worse for me.

Any advice? Has anyone ever successfully challenged a review without retaliation?

Anonymous said...

I notice how all the Zune hate contains zero references to any defects the Zune has.

Interesting.

Anonymous said...

PM II

Achieved 10%
1.5% merit
2% bonus
60% stock

Overseas sub. Limited technical opportunities due to budget cuts resulting in departing heads not being replaced. Is this a problem across EMEA, or localized to area?

Won recognition for my community development that increased visibility of, and grassroots support for, a product and helped the bottom line by reducing the support load on PSS year-over-year. Given Achieved 10% thx to politics, because our team's only weak performer is the same minority that the manager is. I have great peer feedback and aced my commitments, and it doesn't matter.

Disgusted but received generous stock grant and first year review, so unless I want a pay cut, I have to wait it out here for another few years. At least my community development activities are building a network that might connect me with my next job.

I can play politics of the general kind, as evidenced by my success in community. But trying to fit in with current management here is like convincing an iPod fanboy to switch to Zune. If they want nothing to do with you, they want nothing to do with you, and every attempt to persuade to another viewpoint is regarded as offensive, which worsens the problem.

Anonymous said...

There's an interesting salary site, JPSData.com. If just compare the salary with other local companies, the salary seems ok. The site will be better if it also has bonus and pay merit information. Here's the link for MS.
http://www.jpsdata.com/index.php?p==ImRaVXW6FEeWZEc18kVklmYWVkeXhUU10EbrVjTEpUajZUS6d1V49UTxgGcWpmTqJmVGNXVsJ0TNZlUURFbWRFVqZUVX5mUHJ2VK1mYHVTahVkSZllba9kYVBHNNVkUhNGRsdlWYZ1RSJjTw8EVKplYUFUeZ12b4FWbKJjYFR2ahxWW5llMxYkUtZVcWtmWWZVVaZDVWh2bS1mSoNlaKNlUwAXdWBjWhZVbG9EZFRmaNdEeHZlM5EmYsxGWlZEZPVFbwNnVYJ0aNdlRzY1aadlTr92dWVUN0ImVOp0VrpVaiBjW0Zlbs52VGpUYT1GcTZVRwdlVuRmQlxGbIdFbahmVVpVRZpnRrJmRapHZHRnVXZEcGlFM5clUsB3dTxGZXRmModlVzo0UNxmVwVWRkFmVwA3VZ5GZXJmRah0YEZkaWFDcyZlVSFWTXZENRZlWWR2RoVnVtB3QhxGZZZFbaJlUVVTVTtmVPZVRvVTUXVzSRWFe

Anonymous said...

L70 DE
Base pay up 4%
Bonus 120%
Stock 800 K

Anonymous said...

>"I notice how all the Zune hate contains zero references to any defects the Zune has.

Interesting."


Yes it is interesting isn't it. I can't speak for the others, but my own perceptions and observations contain no `hate'. The comments refer to specific market share compared to the products Microsoft is trying to copy. Ooops. There's that word again copy. GRANTED, Apple copied the ipod from someone who came to their door and sold it to them, and the idea for the touch iPhone was lifted from the internet before anyone funded the original designer.

But Microsoft in all its massive deep pocketed wisdom seems to only be able to follow long after the market is already dominated by someone else, and when your company does finally come up with an original idea, it takes years to bring it to market and often without really understanding if there is even a market worth bringing it to.

If I had one ten thousandth of the money you guys throw at your hardware business, I could run circles around the severely-bovine product offerings that Microsoft seem capable of. And it is not just Zune, although that product line is the most demonstrative symbol of the problem. It's not hate, its reality. Even when I sit here and try to challenge you with mud to motivate the massive machine to respond in some positive way, all we get is mickey mouse. Sheesh.

I really wonder, do Gates and Balmer and the rest of the board even know there is a division called E&D? The laughing stock is your own making. Only at Microsoft could the term `super excited' be interpreted by the rest of the tech world to mean `oh shit, somebody just ate my lunch'

Anonymous said...

Someone earlier asked about other local companies; I've had the pleasure of working at Adobe:

Pay used to be good (Bay Area wages in Seattle!), but that differential has been reduced dramatically in the past few years. Politics with San Jose are brutal as well; if you're not based in SJ, you are generally thought of as less than second class (not unlike how we view our subs at MS).

Adobe has great benefits and profit sharing (what a notion) and group bonuses (what a notion) as well as individual bonuses.

Trouble is that the Seattle site has become more and more administrative (tech pub, sales support, tech support). Engineering in Seattle was restricted to InDesign and video tools when I was there a few years back.

Anonymous said...

I notice how all the Zune hate contains zero references to any defects the Zune has. Interesting.

It's a consumer electronics device. I expect it to work right every time. Achieving that is meeting the minimum bar for a consumer device.

Anonymous said...

SDET II

Achieved 10%
1.0% merit
3% bonus
40% stock

Sucks to be kimmed. I guess i can (should) try to find a new role.

Anonymous said...


10% achieved - my feature was cut

Start of the year management made the stack ranks and assigned features based on that. Those who got top ranked got the features that returned E/20%. Should've seen the writing on the wall that I was set up to fail. Salary compression. big time


Huh - same game in Office Shared. Really pisses me off. The high value features go to the princes, the hard but boring features go to folks who then get 10%.

Anonymous said...

Huh - same game in Office Shared. Really pisses me off. The high value features go to the princes, the hard but boring features go to folks who then get 10%.

--

MSD has the same issues ... sad bobMu lets it go down on his watch.

Anonymous said...

Well, if you people want to leave MSFT for higher salary in Amaxxx or Gooxxx, go for it. Just go for those "web 2.0" javascript shit if you have no honor for building windows or office or low level protocols. I would accept lower salary (not too much) and do my favorite job.

Anonymous said...

Office
Got L60 at mid-year (bad idea)
SDE
Achieved/70%
Merit: 2.6%
Bonus: 7.3%
Stock: 100% of L60 ($6K)
New base: a bit under $82K (0.93 comp-ratio)

Word of advice: don't take a promo at mid year, especially if you are moving to a new stock band (59->60, 62->63, 65->66, etc). I got shafted both ways. At least my skip knows it and says it won't happen again next year.

Anonymous said...

"salary compression"

When I started in software engineering starting salaries were in the $20k range and a top long time engineers was making $90k. About a ratio of 4/1. After a few years I was up to $40k and the top guy were maybe $95k ... that is one type of salary compression. Today starting salaries are probably at least $60k and a top software salary is proably about $150k. A ratio of 2.5 to one. Pretty easy to get to $100k salary which is 1.5 ratio from $150k. Over time salaries between starting engineers, okay engineers, bad engineers, good engineers and great engineers is getting closer and closer. Salary compression.

"ABM"

Anything But Microsoft

Anonymous said...

Any advice? Has anyone ever successfully challenged a review without retaliation

Don't pick fights you can't win. HR works for management, not you. If your previous review was good, take it and find another job. You might even be able to talk your current management into helping you. Explain to them that since the reorg you feel like this job isn't a good fit and that you'd like to try a different challenge. Nothing against them, you're just agreeing with the review and feel like you should heed their feedback and try to find yourself a better fit. They may try to talk you out of it. If they do, resist all temptation to believe them. It is several orders of magnitude more difficult to find a new job with two bad reviews than it is with one.

When you walk into informationals tell the hiring manager that you weren't happy with your review HOWEVER (this is important) don't disagree with the feedback on the review. Tell the hiring manager that, based on that feedback, you're looking for a new job that's a better fit. Tell the hiring manager that because of the reorg you feel like you didn't get a good start for the review period and didn't do as good of a job as you feel like you should have, you're not as enthusiastic about your current job as you were prior to the reorg and that you want to find something that's much more interesting to you.

In two or three years, all this will seem like a bad dream.

I've been at MS 11 years and I've tried it both ways (i.e., HR route and "new challenge" route). The new challenge route is the clear winner. And it has the virtue that it's (usually) the truth.

Anonymous said...

Nothing to do with the main topic, but I see that now Ensemble Studios is being closed down.

"Commenting on the reason for the closure, Microsoft said, 'This was a fiscally rooted decision that keeps MGS on its growth path.'"

In other words, Bach and Co. have figured out that their trick of backdating the RROD charge in FY2007 hasn't fooled anyone and their so-called "profitable" FY2008 isn't swaying anyone into believing that they're actually on a "growth path."

The only question is whether this is another example that MGS is determined that if they can just kill off PC gaming (where Ensemble shined), then all of those displaced gamers will magically migrate to the Xbox platform. And then they can finally manage enough sales to satisfy the stratospheric fixed costs created by their management bloat and overall inefficiency.

OR is it just that MGS is trying to liquidate as much of its assets as possible before they announce they're getting out of the gaming biz altogether?

OR (my guess) has MGS management just determined that the key to success is to outsource ALL of their development? That would be an asinine position, which is exactly why I find it most likely. Certainly there's a mountain of evidence that an internal studio doesn't produce the quality of work that an external one does, but that's less the issue of motivation that MGS management believes it to be than an indictment of all the unnecessary process and productivity sinks that being an internal part of Microsoft mandates.

Anonymous said...

"Word of advice: don't take a promo at mid year, especially if you"

You don't get a choice of when to be promoted. You're ready to be promoted when you're ready, and it's up to your management to fix anything that needs fixing come September.

Anonymous said...

My first post to Mini's site...a virgin no more.

-L64
-Achieved/70% (border line exceeds like that means anything in this system)
-Merit 3%
-Bonus 8%
-Stock 100% of target

As someone who can actually say that they are truly an exceeds kind of person (with the exception of my first review, all other reviews have been 4.0/exceeds) this review was the biggest blow to my morale - just a blatant lack of recognition for the work performed. My review is also very interesting with phrases like "exceeded all commitments" stated throughout the document.

The stack rank is back folks.

Spoke to HR, they won't help. My only options now are to stay (with the dangling carrots of an exceeds next year and a promo - yeah right, don't buy it for a second!), find a new position, or leave the company.

Sadly, this is the first time I have ever thought about the third option...and I'm seriously considering it. And if I go, will management even bat an eye? They'll lose a star performer, a leader in my field and they won't care. So depressing...

Anonymous said...

Office
Got L60 at mid-year (bad idea)
SDE
Achieved/70%
Merit: 2.6%
Bonus: 7.3%
Stock: 100% of L60 ($6K)
New base: a bit under $82K (0.93 comp-ratio)

Word of advice: don't take a promo at mid year, especially if you are moving to a new stock band (59->60, 62->63, 65->66, etc). I got shafted both ways. At least my skip knows it and says it won't happen again next year.

My situation and numbers are almost as same as yours. Sadly, the new hirer at L60 now makes ~90K.

Anonymous said...

Achieved/10%

Level: 61
Merit: 2.5%
Bonus: 3%
Stock: 30% of L61 target

Was promoted last year in different group. Seems that this is the cost of changing groups.

Anyway, would suck it this time and work even harder to prove that I deserve much better.

Anonymous said...

Office
Got L60 at mid-year (bad idea)
SDE
Achieved/70%
Merit: 2.6%
Bonus: 7.3%
Stock: 100% of L60 ($6K)
New base: a bit under $82K (0.93 comp-ratio)

Word of advice: don't take a promo at mid year, especially if you are moving to a new stock band (59->60, 62->63, 65->66, etc). I got shafted both ways. At least my skip knows it and says it won't happen again next year.



So what exactly is the problem here? Didn't you get a promo bump at mid-year too?

And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years.

Anonymous said...

Feedback for two of you:

To the 'Should I go to HR because of unfair review' commentor.

Answer: Absofreakinglutly not. Your question exposes your naivtivety. In the bizzaro MS world you are in you take two paths - 1. Double down on kissing up. Not double hard work, not double results, not double sales. Provided you are like 95% of others who this happens to (the other 5% actually should be out) your manager has proved themselves incapable of measuring performance by humanoid business standards. You need to now operate in their world only. No matter how inaine and transparent and silly and demeaning - kiss ass on many levels. Be one with your managers world view. 2. Get the hell out of that group. Do informationals WITHOUT your manager or peers getting wind of it. Career change/advancement out of your org w/out your managers 'leadership' will be considered mutiney. Use humor to diffuse the 10% situation and show no bitterness. Your informational interview managers know this stuff happens and want a good, fun, low maintanence employee will just get into the 70% bucket, be promoted every 24-36 months and keep them moving too.

Never, ever, don't even think about going to HR. It may be right and true and just, but it's the beginning of the end for you under our current regime.

To the commenter talking about 'don't take a mid year promo'.

Dude - what are you on and where can the rest of us purchase this??

Always, but always take a promo. Start lobbying for a promo softly a year in advance of your particular BGs holding time. 6 months in advance crank up the noise to your manager and make it known that you want/deserve/need/etc it. After the earliest holding period has past without your promotion ensure there is an appropriate amount of teeth gnashing, hair pulling and chest pounding to get your point across but not annoy. Long term projects should be accepted with quizzical looks and vague references to backfill plans 'if needed', periodic arrivals to work with nice clothes not normally warn, job descriptions left on printers, etc.

MS stock over the last like 11 years is a joke - the only hope you have outgrowing inflation longterm at MS in Seattle is level increases. Each and every time you can snag them.

Anonymous said...

>> for building windows or office or low level protocols

There are maybe 100 devs in the company who "build low level protocols". In Windows and Office, the bulk of work is polishing turds. Old, precious, turds that people are afraid to touch to not break everything else.

I will prefer working on something new (even if it's Web 2.0 / Javascript) to polishing a turd, any day.

Anonymous said...

>"this is another example that MGS is determined that if they can just kill off PC gaming (where Ensemble shined)"

Interesting comments. Looking at PC gaming altogether, one has to notice (if one prefers PC gaming at all, as I do) that none of the big players really want to sell PC based games. The design and marketing push to sell controllers and PC gaming peripherals is almost non existent; Valve up the street makes it so uncomfortable to use their PC versions it is really not worth the effort, and MGS treats PC gamers like some lower Indian caste from the 1800's.

MGS and E&D have always been heavy supporters of DRM, lag supporters of pc gaming and incompetent hardware developers. Certainly having games on a server seems on paper to be a more controllable concept, but no one in the biz seems to realize that there are huge segments left out of the loop who don't have unlimited bandwidth and who would actually prefer not to play networked games.

Or maybe they realize it but they don't care. I can see some of their point that places like India and China copy any disk that has value and therefore take all profit opportunity out of even designing a game for that kind of application, and it does not look like this is going to be brought under control by the governments in charge.

So the trade off seems to be millions cannot use or access games (because of bandwidth issues) in exchange for eliminating the bootleg business. I stopped buying games and consoles simply because the model offered by all those in the business is unacceptable to me. My great loss, their minor insignificant loss, but, it is just a game and not a life.

I would assume that their plan is more closed loop console gaming, online gaming and entertainment. Unfortunately the business model does not work efficiently for everyone. The trick it seems is to find a way to protect your intellectual property while serving 100% of the population without giving away your business to pirates. What do you think the likelihood of reasonably priced unlimited gaming online for everyone is going to be? Some company will get it and figure out how to solve the problem, but it likely will not be Microsoft based on previous history, barring some miraculous act of managerial luminescent thinking.

Anonymous said...

Given Achieved 10% thx to politics, because our team's only weak performer is the same minority that the manager is. I have great peer feedback and aced my commitments, and it doesn't matter.
---------

Me too, my manager was working on a few angles of politics

a) he considered me a flight risk
b) he has favorites which he wants to promote forward (yes men)
c) he is considers me a risk to him on a general qualifications level

Guy is a real clown, plays the "we are friends" card but in reality he only cares about CYA.

Anonymous said...

I wish I had read every one of these posts before biting the bait when MSFT came with a job offer. I drank their kool-aid of which the most egregious is work-life balance. Having been at MSFT for approximately 5 months now, I regret the decision every day to work in my current group. The expectations are unrealistic and the environment is very political. I am getting other job offers but if I quit prior to a year my offer letter states that I have to repay my relocation. How serious is MSFT about this?

Anonymous said...

Some hidden support group in MSN that doesn't receive the recognition that it deserves.

L59
Contribution 70%, Achieved
Merit 3.5%
Bonus 8%
Shares: $4k
Base Pay - $67k

Just barely over 2 years in the position and we're discussing on how I can leave the team during the year end review. We're all getting shafted and the manager had a hard time keeping a straight face. Bonuses/Promos were cut heavily across our org according to everyone that I've talked to (including the manager). We blame it on the never ending bleeding pig called Search.

Anonymous said...

Well, if you people want to leave MSFT for higher salary in Amaxxx or Gooxxx, go for it. Just go for those "web 2.0" javascript shit

You have no idea of what you're talking about, right? You look like most of the devs in Office org that doesn't even know the difference between java and javascript and dare to talk about something other than the very specific feature you work on (and that very likely won't get you anywhere outside of MS).

Anonymous said...

Always, but always take a promo. Start lobbying for a promo softly a year in advance of your particular BGs holding time. 6 months in advance crank up the noise to your manager and make it known that you want/deserve/need/etc it. After the earliest holding period has past without your promotion ensure there is an appropriate amount of teeth gnashing, hair pulling and chest pounding to get your point across but not annoy. Long term projects should be accepted with quizzical looks and vague references to backfill plans 'if needed', periodic arrivals to work with nice clothes not normally warn, job descriptions left on printers, etc.

This, my friends, deserves to be engraved on a plaque and given to every single employee at Microsoft. Even if you're a kick-ass superstar, the recipe is still the same, you just shorten the cycles.

Anonymous said...

And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years.

I was hired as a SDE at L59 4 years ago. In the next two years, I saw guys with similar resume got hired at L60 or 61. But I really don't think the starting level is that important. I Just worked hard and am now at L63.

Anonymous said...

"I am getting other job offers but if I quit prior to a year my offer letter states that I have to repay my relocation. How serious is MSFT about this?"

It's enforced. Get the other companies who want to hire you, to agree to a signing bonus equal to the relo. That's how a friend switched companies before his year was up without taking a big financial hit.

Anonymous said...

I am getting other job offers but if I quit prior to a year my offer letter states that I have to repay my relocation. How serious is MSFT about this?

Totally. Ride it out.

Anonymous said...

"I was hired as a SDE at L59 4 years ago. In the next two years, I saw guys with similar resume got hired at L60 or 61. But I really don't think the starting level is that important. I Just worked hard and am now at L63."

Oh, please. There's no "just" about it. Guy, you got LUCKY. LUCKY. For every one of you, there are a dozen people who've worked at least as hard, achieving just as much if not more, who didn't advance a level per year for 4 years.

And you naively denegrate their efforts and talents by saying that you got your promos "just" by working hard.

I know this from experience. I've been the lucky one some years, and unfortunate some other years, with the only differences being a management change and our product falling out of favor with management (made known too late for anyone to get out before review time). If it was only a matter of working hard, these minor external factors over which one has no control, would not limit one's career progress.

Anonymous said...

For the Zunies at Microsoft, you may not have noticed, Apple blew it on the recent announcement meeting with a line of anemic improvements to the iPod. Specifically two grave errors in design: low quality audio in exchange for reduced size and the visual clarity of the curved lens on the new nano was a serious error in design judgment. The design reflects light like a mirror because of the convex lens--you can't see the screen.

But were the also-incremental announcements from Microsoft useful? Not likely. Meanwhile while I have no special knowledge, I would bet the farm that Microsoft is working on a `touch' Zune in line with its SOP of copying everything.

But there is a small window to redesign the enclosure in an innovative and more utilitarian way that could actually be better than the iPod format if done right, while you could take the opportunity to advertise that you have eliminated DRM from your entire library on the store with no price increase, and you could jump up and down about the elimination of 3 play limit (which kids think is just stupid) by providing a wireless headset two-for-one deal to allow friends to hear tunes--all kinds of marketing opportunities open up by making the sharing experience wirelessly headset related to unlimited receivers with no actual copy transfer, therefore allowing unlimited sharing.

And as a hint on how to redesign the Zune (these are a few obvious options--there are many others as well):

1) Make sure your box is the industry's highest quality player--same electronics for all models.

2) Differentiation is achieved by a plug in flash chips with different amounts of memory (already done by several companies but not executed well). You can reduce part costs by increasing volume through consolidation of models into one or two sizes.

3) Sell the memory options separately, as product model differentiators (by including a certain size removable flash card with the product).

4) You would have a secondary market by selling just the memory cards as upgrades. This would optimize design for manufacturing by reducing stock variation from the production floor while lowering costs due to volume efficiencies.

5) This 'reduction in engineered parts' move would free your company up to offer a new (styling based) model ever six months to a year based on the same use of the same memory card components. Like your operating systems one could upgrade using some of the same parts over years, having a new memory module sizing design only upon major technology shifts, and the cost of a box without memory would reduce the cost making it affordable to more people in more places more often.

If your add campaign is worth $300, well, what is a billion dollar product idea worth anyway? Oh yeah, one other thing: you could even sell it with edible packaging. Just to cover all the Seinfeld bases.

Anonymous said...

"Marketing
Level: 64 - 65
Raise (Merit + Promo): 12% ($145K Base)
Bonus: 13%
Stock: $40K

Ok but not super exciting. After 1 year at 65 should get a lot better."

Ummm, you did better than me and I've been L65 for 4 years. I got a great text review with "high" end of achieved and only 2% merit increase. L65 is very competitive so you did well, actually.

Anonymous said...

L62(SDEII) -> L63(Senior SDE)
70% Exceeded
Merit: 3%
Promo: 5%
Bonus: 14%
Stock: 33K

Anonymous said...

Exceeded/70%
SDE
L59-->L60
Merit + Promotion: 8%
Bonus: 12%
Stock: 125% of L60 target

"And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years."

I wish I knew that when I was hired fresh from college about a year ago.

With that said, I was hired with a starting salary considerably more than $67k. I hope he doesn't live in the Redmond/Seattle area on that (let alone higher-price regions).

As for Mr. no-midyear-promo, I can practically hear the sarcasm in his skip's voice:

"You didn't like your mid-year promotion? Oh, don't worry, it won't happen again."

Anonymous said...

Good enough considering. I had a terrible year this year, IMO.
Luckily (tee hee) Management thinks I only had a mediocre year!

60->60 (stayed in level)

A/70
2.5% Merit
8.8% Bonus
110% Stock

Anonymous said...

10% achieved - my feature was cut

Start of the year management made the stack ranks and assigned features based on that. Those who got top ranked got the features that returned E/20%. Should've seen the writing on the wall that I was set up to fail.


It is a fun game they play when they want to get rid of someone.

"They" could be your manager or management as a group.

It is particularly effective when a feature requires work across two product groups where the feature has a lower priority in the other product group making it very likely that the necessary work in the other group will not get done for your feature to be complete.

Constructive discharge is illegal but good luck proving it.

Microsoft is a competitive place.

Revised rules of Fight Club:

1. You don't talk about fight club.
2. You DO NOT talk about fight club.
3. When someone says stop, or goes limp, even if he's just faking it, the fight is over. (update: Keep going and finish him off.)
4. Only two guys to a fight. (update: Ignore this rule.)
5. One fight at a time. (update: Ignore this rule.)
6. They fight without shirts or shoes. (update: Fight with a smile on your face.)
7. The fights go on as long as they have to.
8. If this is your first night at fight club, you have to fight.

Anonymous said...

erata:
I said: "If your add campaign is worth $300,"
Should read "If your add campaign is worth $300 million,"

Anonymous said...

Here are my stats (CRM Online - principal SDE manager).

Level: 65 (just promoted March 08)
Raise: 12%
Bonus: 13%
Stock: ~$60K

Way better than the folks reporting to me, as it should be (I manage quite a few semi-competent, junior SDEs).

Anonymous said...

"And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years."


Is this really true? Are we now hiring college hires in 60 directly?

Anonymous said...

"And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years."

Is this really true? Are we now hiring college hires in 60 directly?"


Always take annecdotal reports like this with a grain of salt.

We hire plenty of 59s out of college, but we've always made exceptions for things like multiple prior internships, top talent, competitive offers, etc.

Anonymous said...

"Is this really true? Are we now hiring college hires in 60 directly?"

Yes, I think. I know of at least 2 college hires in my group that became SDE II within 18 months of their start date.

Anonymous said...

"And we still hire L59 SDE's? I haven't seen someone come in that low in a couple of years."

"Is this really true? Are we now hiring college hires in 60 directly?"


I think that might only be the case if you have a Masters or Ph.D. degree.

Anonymous said...

SDET :
Achived/70%
Merit: 3.5%
Bonus: 8%
Stock: 110%

I think this is fair for level.Been in this level for 1.5 years and worked heck of it. Only concern is that I should be at level 61 when comparing with other folks in the team who are 61's.

Any Help is Great if some one can answer this:I feel I am under aggressive manager who thinks he knows everything. It took almost 5 years for this guy to become a manager and whenever the topic for promotion is raised he always compares to 62 level.What should I do?

Anonymous said...

We hire college grads at 59 and 60. Haven't seen a 61 yet.

Starting for 59 pays marginally worse than 60 however they, 60, need to compete with the 60s who were hired 59, know the company, the processes, and code ok.

Most 60-hires I've seen don't rank as well as last year's 59s promoted to 60s in <= 12 months. Come in at 59, rock, E/20 with good stock grant. Come in at 60, fail to impress when compared to the other 60, A/70.

It's a good example of where early over-leveling hinders your career.

Anonymous said...

Exceeded doesn't mean much anymore.

Office is not so much stingy as cowardly when it comes to marketing. When 40+% people are getting exceededed's it greatly dilutes the reward poool for that real top 10%.

Bonus and merit % don't lie

Anonymous said...

why is it that every single comp ratio is below 1.00? I thought that was a median.

Anonymous said...

It's not that Microsoft pay badly; it is simply a distribution issue with no company control over the way that distribution occurs. OK, most of the people get a 3 - 4% raise, a 5 - 10% bonus and the 100% allocation of shares. In this economic environment this is not bad.
Unfortunately, there are too many people doing very little work and getting thrown into the same bucket as the "workers" that keep this company moving forward. We have too many people and it is blatantly obvious. HR in this company is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I know a super-star working in my group. He has done some fantastic work in the last 12 months that will create some fantastic opportunities for Microsoft. He just received his review (after the money went into his bank account) and he gets an achieved, 70%. This is disgraceful. His manager has no morals and is out to get what he can for himself. He puts forward his buddy as the excelled 20%.
When you feel your have been badly evaluated you should document the process, not sign the review and request an immediate meeting with HR. Microsoft needs to take notice that its staff are being undermined by some really bad managers and this is not acceptable. Each of you have rights, you are all smart people. Take the time today to request a meeting with HR to tell them why you feel your evaluation is incorrect.
Give HR some better work to be doing that hiring more mediocre staff. Make Microsoft take notice by using the HR resource which is available to you. Don’t worry about future issues because you raise this concern now, the more information you have the better off you are in the future.

Anonymous said...

I just spotted a comment earlier which kind of tells everyone to avoid complaining about the review. I disagree, I got screwed some time ago by management and I took action. I documented everything from emails showing how bad my manager was, promises of promotions, information from meetings which discussed my situation with non-Microsoft employees, etc.

It took me almost a week to document everything and I eventually got what I asked for. I have been through 2 reviews since and I did well in the first and OK in this one.

I have kept all the information from the previous issue and I document anything that I think would be relevant should Microsoft attempt to screw me again.
I do understand that HR work for the company but then again, so do I. The only difference between us is that I don't have to dish out or believe in the HR BS around this time of year.

When something is wrong, I call it out. HR has the option to deal with the issue or I will take it outside Microsoft and get a professional to do it for me. Take a chance and talk to HR, at least the several hundred requests for meetings will cause some panic to HR (even with their massive resource pool). I expect the majority of concerns raised here are legitimate ones.

This is a great company to work for but it won’t stay that way unless all the folks that voiced their concerns on this site actually do something about it.

Anonymous said...

When you feel your have been badly evaluated you should document the process, not sign the review and request an immediate meeting with HR. Microsoft needs to take notice that its staff are being undermined by some really bad managers and this is not acceptable. Each of you have rights, you are all smart people. Take the time today to request a meeting with HR to tell them why you feel your evaluation is incorrect.

Give HR some better work to be doing that hiring more mediocre staff. Make Microsoft take notice by using the HR resource which is available to you. Don’t worry about future issues because you raise this concern now, the more information you have the better off you are in the future.


This is bad advice in almost every case.

HR is *NOT* an employee advocate unless it's a significant legal exposure issue, which bad reviews rarely are. In virtually all cases where an employee disagrees with a review, HR will serve the side of management. They are not impartial mediators -- they're paid to protect the company from legal exposure. Period.

The only thing you get from complaining about a bad or unfair review is a bad reputation for yourself. It always amazes me when people think that they can go to someone in HR or higher-up the management chain and, through the power of reason and a compelling argument, convince those people that they really didn't get what they deserve... and that some lightbulb will pop over the HR person or senior manager's head and they'll say, "OMG! You're absolutely right, you totally got shafted! Let me fix that for you!"

LOL. Never happens. :)

Anonymous said...

Three interesting news stories/events related to Zune that are worth watching.

The first is the Wayport agreement with Microsoft to serve songs at McDonalds hotspots. (McDonalds is trying to buzz up their business by competing with the Starbucks model but in a more limiting way that uses songs as a replacement to the trinkets kids buy at McDonalds).

'Mcdonalds and Zune Don't Mix, "
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/007756.html

The second is this praise showered on Microsoft from blogger Ina Fried at Cnet about the wireless features of Zune:

'One big thing Zune did right'
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10043442-56.html

And the third are these article on ZDnet that talks about Microsoft's continued embracing of DRM revised strategies and technologies:

'Microsoft joins the ‘everyone but Apple’ digital-media coalition'
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1588

When you tie all these articles together it is easy to glean what Microsoft is up to: more drm, stronger drm, more leveraged weaving of users into the Microsoft entertainment model. Looking at the the industry efforts to kill off PC gaming, ('Spore DRM could kill PC gaming' http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2617 ) it only makes sense that this would be happening.

Maybe I am getting too old for this kind of draw, but it seems there is nothing in the mix that is good for the consumer and everything in the mix designed to corral customers into cattle pens of forced loyalty.

Anonymous said...

$25.16. Timberrrrrrr!

Anonymous said...

L59 PM -> L59 PM
Merit: 3%
Stock: 100% ($4500)
Bonus: 7.5%
Achieved/70%
Somewhere very unhealthy in the Windows org.

Strangely, the only promotion in our team was the Senior PM going up to Principle, and the rest of us were told "we're doing great, we just didn't have budget".

What crap. (and I don't feel I got screwed on this, other than being on YEAR 3 at L59 doing work that a L62 couldn't)

Anonymous said...

We are screwed. MSFT is far more vulnerable to economic downturn than GOOG. Why would anyone want to update their software? Office 2007 and XP/Vista do everything a business needs; no growth in servers; emerging markets dead.

Just think about how many licences Lehman and AIG had globally. How will penny pinching CEOs choose Microsoft? What really hurts is that they are right for not doing it.

Windows 7 needs to be delayed until after the recession is over (estimates between 3 and 10 years?).

Anonymous said...

Oh, please. Recession-schmecession. A bunch of people on Wall Street got greedy and paid for it. A percentage of folks who couldn't afford houses now don't have them. They probably didn't have the money to buy Microsoft products anyway, and if they did, they will have more of it after they complete their foreclosures.

Look, I sympathize to those who can't afford real estate. After all, I work at Microsoft and I'm still priced out of the market, since I feel it's irresponsible to give all my savings to a greedy realtor and would only buy a house if I have enough extra money to cover my mortgage payments, bills and property taxes for an extra year.

However, those folks knew very well what they were buying into. They knew there was a risk. They knew they could lose everything. And now it's somehow a tragedy that they gambled and lost. If you can't afford to lose, I have a simple solution - don't gamble.

Tech sector is doing fine, oil prices are down so prices to the consumer will stop rising, too. I don't know if you've noticed, but Microsoft is posting double digit revenue gains every year. So do Google, Apple, HP, Amazon and almost every other large tech company out there. They aren't banks. They don't finance mortgage loans or trade collateralized debt obligations. They have nothing whatsoever to be afraid of, long term.

Anonymous said...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/microsofts-new-ads-seinfeld-and-gates-out-hodgman-lookalike-i/

We have given up on the Seinfeld ad campaign already.

Wow.

The marketing team pisses away millions faster than the entertainment division!

Anonymous said...

This is bad advice in almost every case.

HR is *NOT* an employee advocate unless it's a significant legal exposure issue, which bad reviews rarely are. In virtually all cases where an employee disagrees with a review, HR will serve the side of management. They are not impartial mediators -- they're paid to protect the company from legal exposure. Period.


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Very true.

Alot of people who worked under jawad can attest to this :)

Anonymous said...

The first is the Wayport agreement with Microsoft to serve songs at McDonalds hotspots. (McDonalds is trying to buzz up their business by competing with the Starbucks model but in a more limiting way that uses songs as a replacement to the trinkets kids buy at McDonalds).

'Mcdonalds and Zune Don't Mix, "
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/007756.html

-----------

MSN internet folks tried this a few years ago ... went pretty bad ... people who "shop at mcdonalds" are not really the IW folk you expect to be there .. not at the volumes ROI can be successful.

Maybe an RFID play for little jimmy and his NIKE+ location awareness (wheres my kid) finder

Anonymous said...

"Windows 7 needs to be delayed until after the recession is over (estimates between 3 and 10 years?)."

That's about the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time - which is saying something after the 'go to HR - they're your friend' posts.

Anonymous said...

"Strangely, the only promotion in our team was the Senior PM going up to Principle, and the rest of us were told "we're doing great, we just didn't have budget".

What crap. (and I don't feel I got screwed on this, other than being on YEAR 3 at L59 doing work that a L62 couldn't)"

---

You are a newbie even though you have been here for 3 years. The review budgets are based on the following chunks:
L59 and below
L60-L62
L63-L64
L65+ and so on.

So your budget for a L59 band does not affect the budget for the person moving 64->65. Stop whining about every other person who gets a promo just because you did not get one. If you are 3 years and STILL at L59 - that should have given you a hint on what your value in your team is. Either switch teams or find another company.

Anonymous said...

Somewhere in MS.
L64->L64
Merit: 4.02%
Stock: 210%
Bonus: 12%
Exceeded/20%

I'm fairly happy with my package at MS - that includes the benefits, health coverage etc.

Anonymous said...


You are a newbie even though you have been here for 3 years. The review budgets are based on the following chunks:
L59 and below
L60-L62
L63-L64
L65+ and so on.

So your budget for a L59 band does not affect the budget for the person moving 64->65. Stop whining about every other person who gets a promo just because you did not get one. If you are 3 years and STILL at L59 - that should have given you a hint on what your value in your team is. Either switch teams or find another company.


Sorry, you've got it wrong. There are separate budget for stock at those levels, but not promotions. There is only one budget for promotions at ALL levels. Did your GM not explain this all to you in an all-hands in August? Mine did.

However I agree on the advice to the OP: 3 years at 59 means your team thinks you are failing... if you are not, get out as fast as you can. The cost of a 59->60 promotion is tiny and there is practically no chance that budget was a factor. The fact that they are lying to you and telling you it is should tell you something.

Anonymous said...

Jeez, I’m not saying HR are your friend, that they will believe everything you say or that they will even fix your problem. What I am saying is voice your concern in such a way as to put them on the back foot. You can blog away all you want and it won’t change anything. Let your manager know that the next time he or she talks to you in a review they better have this stuff nailed down.

For a start I would complain directly to HR if any of the following occurred during this review process,
• No direct meeting to discuss the review.
• No commitments to be reviewed against.
• No comments or direction added to your review.
• Any promises of future Gold-Star awards to make up for a bad rating.
• Any promises of promotion.
• So and so on the team was a low level so we had to use the budget to rank them up, it’s your turn next year.

Emails from your manager with information of this nature will go a very long way to getting that manager on the HR radar.
There is much talk on this thread around getting a better deal outside Microsoft. It may or may not be true and I am not interested in the comparisons. What I am interested in seeing is a Microsoft employee that talks about these comparisons and complains about their reviews actually doing something about it.

What can you lose, you already went through a mediocre review process, your manager is a waste of space, and there are better opportunities outside Microsoft.
Give HR something to do apart from your EXIT interview which goes nowhere and achieves nothing.

I’m off to setup the AAM group alias for all those achievers out there.

Anonymous said...

>"Oh, please. Recession-schmecession."

You must be brain dead. Par for the course for the overpaid softie who has no effing clue as to what it means to not be able to pay your mortgage/rent, buy food yada yada.

EVERYBODY I know how has their own business is seeing at least a 50% drop in sales/business.

Maybe, just maybe, pray tell, Mini's dream of a major RIF will finally be forced on the richest man in the world.

Anonymous said...

>"but it seems there is nothing in the mix that is good for the consumer and everything in the mix designed to corral customers into cattle pens of forced loyalty."

So does that make Bill Gates a Virtual Robber Baron? It has been about a hundred years since the SO Western antitrust actions that broke up many of the large monopolies at the turn of the 19th century.

Is this the only way Microsoft can make money, i.e., force people to buy their products if they want any products at all? We all know how dismal Microsoft is at actually competing on an equal basis with others.

Anonymous said...

Pdt Mgmt
Exceeded/20%
L61->L63 (new salary $131K)
Salary change 17%
Bonus $20K
Stock 220% ($48K)

I had a great manager who recognized that I was performing at a level way beyond what was expected at my level, and fought to change it.

Microsoft, deep down, is a meritocratic company. The key is to make sure you have a sensible manager who is willing to do the right thing.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft is posting double digit revenue gains every year. So do Google, Apple, HP, Amazon and almost every other large tech company out there. They aren't banks. They don't finance mortgage loans or trade collateralized debt obligations. They have nothing whatsoever to be afraid of, long term.

Disagree. Some of those companies that are in trouble (in whatever sector) are our EA customers. Considering how much the EA program and volume licensing in general contributes to our revenue, I am at least a little concerned.

Anonymous said...

>> not be able to pay your mortgage/rent

I rent. Rents have not increased much. And for those coming out of foreclosure, rent is much cheaper. I just don't see why everyone is so worried. Let me 'splain to you what happened using shorter words.

Joe could not afford a house. So he rented. A banker gave Joe a loan. Joe moved into the house and lived in it for a few years, descending deeper into debt. Joe could not make his mortgage payments anymore, so he got kicked out of "his" house. Joe now rents again.

WTF has changed? He didn't have any savings to begin with. He doesn't have them now. He didn't own a house, and he doesn't now.

Anonymous said...

Level 60
Operations Engineer III
Windows Live Identity Services (Passport)

FY08 Planned and rebuilt WLIDS login service on new network architecture, moved to new department during FY08 review period.

RESULTS:

Achieved - Limited
Merit 2.4%
Bonus $5000
Stock %20

Anonymous said...

SDE L62 (5yrs@msft, 1yr@L62)
Exceeded/20%
Promotion: None
Merit:4.5%
Bonus:14.5%
Stock:170% (31k)
Gold Star: 6.5k cash, no stock
New salary: 105k

Anonymous said...

Here are my stats (CRM Online - principal SDE manager).

...

Way better than the folks reporting to me, as it should be (I manage quite a few semi-competent, junior SDEs).


wrong! you manage semi-competent, junior SDEs, you are a limited 10% manager until said employees become competent. sheesh!

Anonymous said...

Group: OSG

Numbers:
Exceeded/70
Level: 59 -> 60 Program Manager
Merit: 3%
Promo: 3%
Bonus: 12%
Stock: 150%

I really feel for those of you stuck in crummy groups. I was in one myself until about mid-year. Fortunately I seem to be in one of the (rare) good ones... and am not considering leaving any time soon (unless we get re-org'd....)

For what it's worth... after getting my review numbers, I went back to my manager and expressed dissatisfaction (good thing I didn't see this blog first or I might not have!) She went to bat for me and came back with a secondary raise on top of the merit good for an extra 10% or so (so there ARE good managers out there!!!)

As for the aQuantive merger and the big dollars... well, that explains a lot, and it's unfortunate. I have to work with a few of these people and, well, aside from a few good gems, there's definitely a lot of 10%-ers there. At least one guy that we acquired WAS a former FTE with MSFT on my old team, didn't last a year before going on a PIP. He quit right before his review and found a job at aQuantive. 3 months later, we acquired them and... he's back! *sigh*

At any rate, I'm still happy to work for Microsoft. I get direct input into the bottom line (for my team, anyways), am valued, and overall very happy. My peers are all very bright, share a great work ethic, and all despise politics as much as I (and seemingly the rest of you) do. The only thing I'd say I *don't* like is having to deal with other teams who ARE stuck in the political mess I hear so much about. There definitely needs to be more "just get it done" attitude around here.

Anonymous said...

Escalation Engineer
L63 -> L64
Exceeded, 20%
Merit: 5%
Promo: 5%
Bonus: 16%
Stock: 220%
Base comp: $122k

Anonymous said...

>"2) Differentiation is achieved by a plug in flash chips with different amounts of memory (already done by several companies but not executed well)."


Ooops, too late Microsoft. Now you have to copy Sandisk too:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/105956

Anonymous said...

SDET L60
merit 2.5%
bonus 6.9%
stock 50%
achieved - 10% - I got Kimmed. :(

Been at my level for a long time and I'm kinda miffed at my 10% score given that I worked my ass off during the last year. I'm more upset about the verbiage of one part of my review (the rest is ok). Unfortunately, I already signed it.

At my business unit's geographic area, I probably worked the hardest amongst test whereas much of dev didn't seem to work hard at all during crunch time. My manager seems to care more about the process and random CSP crap than the product.

I've left the group anyways (notified I was interviewing after "calibration" but could've gotten screwed afterwards) and gotten another job. Spoke to a SDET colleague who was coincidentally leaving the company and also smacked with a 10%. First, he felt I shouldn't do anything. Once I read the passage to him, he changed his mind, felt I should be furious and had do something (e.g. talk to PUM and/or HR).

Problem: I hear my former lead and his manager are both buddies and that if I talk to his manager, nothing will happen. I'd have to go up to the PUM (who I hear is more likely to be receptive and isn't buddy buddy). Given what I've seen here about not talking to HR and/or higher ups, I'm unsure now but I don't really care about burning bridges.

Options:
a) Do nothing. Suck it up.
b) Talk to more receptive PUM and then possibly talk to HR
c) Talk to HR

I don't have the expectation that my 10% will change but at least I'd like to add a rebuttal to the section in question. FWIW, my unit has always done very badly in MS Poll and has had a LOTS of churn, esp. in test.

Anonymous said...

Options:
a) Do nothing. Suck it up.


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move on

Anonymous said...

Options:
a) Do nothing. Suck it up.
b) Talk to more receptive PUM and then possibly talk to HR
c) Talk to HR



why worry

Anonymous said...

Options:
a) Do nothing. Suck it up.
b) Talk to more receptive PUM and then possibly talk to HR
c) Talk to HR


Definitely do nothing and move on. Rebuttals stay in your review and on your permanent record FOREVER and future managers will look at only the fact that you refuted the comments, not whatever content you include in the rebuttal. You will be labeled a troublemaker (at best) and won't even have the chance to make your case about why your manager said such things about you.

Future managers can overlook a negative review as just one of those things, especially if you can explain (WITHOUT putting down your former manager) why those nasty comments ended up there. But much better to explain in person ("We didn't see eye-to-eye about x,y,z") rather than foam at the mouth about how the manager was wrong, you were wronged, nothing is your fault, etc. in writing.

If you've already got another job, leave this crappy place behind and be glad you can start fresh! Not all randomly-10%eds are so lucky, not by a long shot. :-(

Anonymous said...

Here are my numbers...

L60 (2+ years)
Engineering (10 months)

Rating - Achieved, 10%
Merit - 3.5%
Bonus - 6%
Stock - 25% ($1500)

New Base = $83K

Anonymous said...

I have a challenge for everyone reading this blog. I see everyone talking about compensation all the time. What about the real work?

I challenge anyone to come with the official message from Microsoft on the business value for Enterprise customers of technologies like WPF and Silverlight.

Anyone? Someone from D&PE, please?

PDC 08 is coming and I see many MS bloggers talking about how the emerging technologies from Microsoft are great, and so on, but WPF is three years old, and I never saw a good deck, paper or site from Microsoft explaining why and how it is a game changer. Or is it not?

I am bringing the subject because I left Microsoft three year ago, after two very disappointing years in Redmond. I came from the field, and my impression was that everyone in Redmond was completely out-of-touch with customers. Vista was about to be launched, and some folks, myself included, were very worried that no one was thinking about Enterprise customers when thinking about evangelism and marketing initiatives.

I am a Microsoft partner in my home country and, three years later, I am still waiting for messaging for emerging technologies (including the "cloud services") in the same quality level of what the company had for .NET/Web Services/SOAP from 2000 to 2003.

What happened? My impression is that Scoble made his mark, and now everyone thinks that the world is made of bloggers, Silicon Valley startups and hardcore developers.

Am I missing something? If so, please reply with some pointers. If not, isn't something very wrong?

My guess is most of the readers here will think "WTF?" and ask why the hell I an asking stuff without importance. If that's the case, you are really in trouble.

Anonymous said...

PM
Rating : E/20%
Level : 64-> 65
Promo+Merit : 13%
Bonus : 14%
Stock : ~80k (215%+)

Gold Star : 50k stock

Anonymous said...

whats up with the hiring freezes?

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