Microsoft's 2008 - What's Going Well?
Here we are, wrapping up 2007 and launching into 2008. I continue to believe that we're in a good transition time at Microsoft and that 2008 will help cinch that transition as some of the bigger products wrap up major development (Office 14, Windows 7). Trying to keep a positive vibe, I just want to share some of the things going on in and around Microsoft that I see as goodness. I'd like to know what you honestly think is going well, too.
Indulge in some praise, too, if you will. We can get around to the constructive criticism after we're settled into the new year. Drop by MSFT Extreme Makeover for a dose right now if you need a hit.
Competition: Praise the Lord for competition. Without some light to shine the way, we really tend to get lost in our own initiatives. Think of pre-reset Longhorn. Think of post-IE6 (Blake Ross, I've got a hug with your name on it). So I'm thankful for Google, Facebook, Apple, and Adobe. And Amazon. And Nintendo. And all those startups who show that good ideas don't take an army to deliver. And that design matters. And that everyday citizens have cash they'd like to spend, too, for quality products. If it wasn't for our competitors doing so well in their respective areas I'm willing to bet that we'd still being ignoring good design and consumer facing features. As of now, those internal champions have leverage.
Something I haven't seen before, especially around Apple, is a level of humbleness and respect when considering, say, what Apple is doing - and doing well - and how we can endeavor to do better ourselves. I haven't or heard much trash-talking around Apple, but rather aspirational discussion. That's great and makes me believe that we'll be able to deliver something that actually delights our users... and hopefully therefore our shareholders.
I've been bummed lately when our competitors screw up. Really. No schadenfreude here, as much as they do indulge in it in our direction. Yeah, I'm bummed when Apple's latest OS comes equipped with a Blue Screen of death and other failures. When Facebook starts upskirting all of their users' purchases. When Google potentially jumps the shark. I'm bummed because their great accomplishments serve as a big walloping stick to break through blockers at Microsoft (because there are still people convinced that the most secure, robust, solid features are those that you don't ship - not exactly a formula for success 100% of the time).
Their failures serve as excuses to keep on doing what we're doing, or less.
Surprise! Holy smokes, stop your grinnin' and drop your linen! I love my new Zune player. That's right, I'm having a blast listening to my tunes and podcasts on my little black 8GB Zune. I promised to buy a Zune when a solid-state Zune with wireless syncing came out. Now, I'm sure you iPod fans just had to spit out three mouthfuls of foamy indignation. Uncross your eyes and let me comfort you in saying that yes, the iPod is still better. When I picked up the very first iPod nano I was amazed at how it just worked. It was delightful. Not delightful is the decision I made years ago to rip all my music in WMA. Now I know all that is just one big transcoding script job away from being something else, but I'm sticking with WMA. And the Zune is my first WMA player (going through about five different players, all the way back to an Intel 64MB player I first owned) that just works right.
And I really enjoy the Zune desktop software. And I intend to rip off some of their UI designs. Imagine that! A Microsoft team ripping design ideas off of another Microsoft team. "Hello, Hell? How's the snow?"
Solid VS2008? When VS2005 came out, there was a series of negative reactions I noted, mainly around its IDE. Dealing with the VS teams quite often, I certainly know they did a major reset in the way they develop software post VS2005. Is it paying off? If so, will other teams adopt this level of engineering excellence to address issues they have in shipping solid features?
DRM die-off? Raise your hand if you love DRM. I don't dork with anything that has DRM because it's so incredibly rare that I've gotten that crap to work without a lot of manual intervention. How am I supporting the non-DRM initiatives? By spending cash buying MP3 albums as much as I can stand. Radiohead. Amazon. And even the Zune Marketplace MP3s (surprise, part II). Do you hate DRM? Show the DRM-free music the love, then. As expressed in cold, hard cash. Or dippy Live points. Put down the Rock Band guitar and go buy some classic tunes in MP3. This kind of success will help Microsoft detangle itself even more from the DRM monster (which, by inadvertently killing Plays-for-Sure, we're well on the way).
Translucency: I know there are a lot of customers, partners, and competitors who enjoy knowing everything going on with every little new Microsoft feature along the way. When it comes to translucency vs. transparency, I support putting the kimono back on and tightening it up, perhaps doing so in an enticing burlesque-style way, revealing only what we want to reveal. A little toe here, perhaps an ankle there...
Part of my support is obviously Jobs/Apple envy of being able to surprise people with a feature just being released. The other is avoiding embarrassingly-public screw-ups like WinFS or other big features we're going to deliver and then end-up cutting. I think we've stopped being the Britney of the software-news world, now we're aspiring to be the Angelina Jolie.
Obviously, we'll still be doing betas for Windows and Office so that by the time they are released everyone will be yawning about the by-then well-known features, but I hope we can pull-out a few surprises and underpromise and overdeliver. So: way to go IE8 team! And I'm looking forward to seeing the reactions at Mix08.
Not the Bad Guy? It's taken a long time, but I don't believe we are perceived as the Evil Empire anymore. Part of that went out when people decided, at least contextually, to bust apart our empire. Okay, fine, we're playing catch-up now (wink wink). Now the evil part starts fading based on the relative failings of other firms. This is a grand opportunity for Microsoft to follow a vision like the one that Mr. ... Mr. ... Mr. Ozzie shared with us (wow, my mind blanked trying to remember his name there for a second... not sure what that means) at the 2007 Company Meeting and be the good guy on the side of the citizen and their private information, making it protected and easily transportable so that you are assured that you own and have access to what's yours, even it if passes through our clouds.
(Administrivia: sorry for falling off the map, but it just plain hasn't been computerized happiness for me over the past month given a wonky Neomailbox email service [probably anything you sent to me directly from the middle of November for a few weeks got bit-bucketed] and a series of cascading hardware failures on the home network. This is the first time in a while I've gotten the "Mini" account going again vs. the minimal life-support it has been on. It's still rough going as I try to duct-tape things back together and bond with Notepad for a while. I guess I'm working through some karma here.)
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> way to go IE8 team
Errrmmm... no, I cannot agree. Underpromising is one thing, shutting down all communication with a lot of angry web developers is another. While I'm sure there is a lot of goodness in preparation for IE8, the current PR situation is a mess, and a very bad one.
Who da'Punk?
Mini? Is that really you? Are you going through a mid-life crisis there buddy? Next you are going to be saying something like "I love drowning! Granted it's not as good as living, but once you stop struggling it's really quite pleasant"
Did MS discover who you really are?
I bought my wife a new Toshiba laptop for Christmas, saying it was hers and that I wouldn't install all my usual techy stuff on it, and she could do it all to learn how Vista works.
We turned it on and waited through long, unresponsive "Please wait" screens and 5 or 6 reboots before even having to deal with those from Windows Update and other apps (Norton, Toshiba, myphotobook(wtf?), and others).
The experience was complete shit. UAC prompts all over the place, IE pop-ups for installing Windows Live Messenger, Flash, zillions of desktop icons, sidebar crap and system tray icons.
As an employee in the Windows product group I am embarrassed with the first run (OOBE) experience. Both MS and Toshiba should be ashamed.
It should take at most one reboot to get up and running, and there should be some kind of partner agreement and vetting to ensure that 3rd party crap doesn't screw with the user experience.
By the way, how did the perf teams ever agree to allow Sidebar in the box? Slow, fat and horribly clunky.
Ah, IE8. My company made the mistake of doing a serious amount of coding that is IE-centric, instead of following open web standards, and now they are blocking downloading of IE7 out of fear that all their cute web apps will quit working. And they have tested 7 so they know that in fact everything would have to be recoded, which they are not prepared to do.
Hi. Yes, it's me.
The same old me.
Some folks freak out every time I go and post something cheery or positive. If that's you then you're going to have to recalibrate your perception of this blog.
I can only assume some of those folks are Anything But Microsoft'ers and MSFT-H8TRZ or folks who should have left Microsoft long, long ago and that they expect this to be a nice place to bash on Microsoft, all-day, all-night. No.
I wouldn't be working at Microsoft if we weren't doing some great things, let alone had the potential to do fantastic things.
Also, as I've said in the past, if you don't re-enforce what's going well, when change comes, anything that's not obviously valued can be swept away with the change.
(And no, that poor old languishing lawsuit just waiting to be delivered to me still hasn't found a way to my door. Thpfffft!!!)
I also love my Zune. I find it's easy to use, nice display, has the built in radio for use at the ProClub for the largescreen TVs. Like the site too, it's pretty slick. Like the subscription. Like the DRM free music. I have an iPod, but use the Zune more these days. J and his buds should be proud; well, most of them. Did I mention I think the some of the testers should be fired? I have never gotten it to work on my 64 bit machine. Works great on the 32 bit one at home. I have tried every suggestion put out internally, externally. It... will... not... work. Someone said Microsoft decided a while ago to try and automate as much testing as possible and in the process eliminated most of the critical thinkers in the test department. Apparently they eliminated someone who might have said, "Hey, how about 64 bit? Did we test that? You know, the processor we're making a requirement for some of our future OS releases? Huh? Did we?"
Hey, how about 64 bit? Did we test that?
Ha, right. A hundred bucks says that a tester did bring it up and some tech illiterate PM said "64-bit isn't that important and we have to get this thing out the door right now. We'll take care of it later." And then they never do.
And then I laugh in the faces of the people who come to me a couple of years later and say that they need to attempt to rebuild the test collateral to get a product working and validated under our 64-bit OSes. Sure, our customers got screwed, by your friendly neighborhood incompetent PMs.
Wait, this was supposed to be about Zune, wasn't it? Oh, well...
Totally agree with the above poster about 3:d party crapware installed on new computers.
Since MSFT happily tie users hands with licensing, couldn't MSFT use liscencing to help users get rid of this preinstalled crap? How about enforcing computer manufacters to at least ship a "clean" Windows installation CD/DVD or a option to opt-out 3d party crapware during installation?
I see MSFT's problems starting at the front door, namely, inHuman Resources. While Lisa Brummel kicks ass (they should name a set of heavy boots "Brummels"), as evidenced by the zero-tolerance way she off'ed Stuart Scott for sexual harrassment, the balance of iHR appears to be focused on hiring offshore labor for dev's.
MSFT needs new blood throughout the organization, not just at the top. Sure, some things might change: instead of everybody running around at 100 MPH and handling e-mail during meets, maybe things would run at 75 MPH and we'd get it right the first time. Outsiders (new hires) may ask the questions MSFT doesn't ask itself.
The one thing MSFT does better than anybody else is heading the wrong way at high speed and then changing direction at high speed (notice I haven't mentioned if the new direction is the right one). These changes stress employees, partners, and customers. I'm not suggesting MSFT become 100% risk-averse; I am saying MSFT's recruiting inbreeding is weaking the competitive gene pool.
I'm waiting for the direction change on Vista myself!
I'm a Linux user, and I stopped buying Microsoft products because I believe they are trying to block customer choice, and force proprietary software and data formats on everyone.
Having said that, I love when you're optimistic about Microsoft! It shows that there are good people there, trying to do good things and genuinely focused on pleasing the customer -- something my MS-bashing friends would do well to remember.
Kudos for the neat post. I hope you had a Merry Christmas season, and that 2008 goes well for you and yours. Now let's do our best to make quality products and please our respective customers. ^.^
If you don't see the positive at work, then you leave or you become bitter. It can ruin you inside. It can destroy you as a person.
If you don't see the negative at work, you can't fix what needs fixed. You can't make it better for yourself, and you can't make it better for your coworkers who don't have the courage to tackle the problems.
Doing both of these at once is hard. It feels almost schizophrenic, but it's actually the only way to stay sane. The real world has good and bad. To actually live in the real world, you have to see both.
MSS
IE...the team that forgot how to communicate.
Why even have a blog if you aren't really going to use it for anything but PR announcements?
What happened to the developer chats?
Bug database? The Visual Studio guys can manage one but not IE? That's right, there aren't any developers relying on IE unlike Visual Studio, right?
Hey, how about a tentative schedule for IE8? Wouldn't that be useful to someone?
Feh.
Re the guy with the poor out-of-box Vista experience
MS used to control the OOB experience as part of OEM deals, but Netscape and AOL complained, since it blocked them from paying OEMs to include their products on the home page.
Netscape and AOL won in court, which is why OEMs are free to load up the junk-ware, and Microsoft can't fix it.
It's tempting to think MM got caught. I hope they did use that rat-cage on the face thing from 1984 on him. brainwashing is an evil evil thing.
On the other hand as Murrquan says, your credibility would suffer if you continued to work at a place for which you had only bad things to say.
But I have to ask: You didn't get screwed up using Home Server did you?
I was about to suggest one to a Windows household I know when I read about all the problems.
As to the Zune, I'd be delighted to try one if the box doesn't say it requires Windows. I like devices that just plug in as USB and show up as disk drives (on either my Linux or OS X boxes). I have nothing against end-user photo or music software, I just don't think it should be tightly coupled to the device itself. Haven't we all been burned by that at one time or another? I don't use iTunes or the ITMS for the same reason.
Tell me I can drag and drop files onto a Zune icon without any drivers and I'll rush out and get one.
I look forward to hearing of any other Microsoft unbundlings.
Congratulations on the IE8 compatibility tests.
Now... stop fighting standards (existing ones) for office products, allow free POP access for Live mail and don't tie other Live functionality to Windows and you will make a fanboy out of me once again.
Go ahead, I dare ya!
"Not the Bad Guy? It's taken a long time, but I don't believe we are perceived as the Evil Empire anymore. Part of that went out when people decided, at least contextually, to bust apart our empire."
No. People look at you the same way they look at a toothless tiger. Not very dangerous at all.
I am a very happy iPod Touch user, but I can see that the Zune gets some well-deserved kudos. That little things is probably ( at least with the average user ) the only product from MS that actually works well.
Zon
I bought 2 zunes for my daughters this year, and they've been fabulous. The zune software is installed and running on both my 64bit and 32 bit vista boxes w/out any problems.
We've already had to ground one of the kids from her Zune; it had the intended effect.
As far as testing, yeah; MS made a heavy, heavy investment in test automation. Certainly for Windows; don't know about other divisions. The upshot was that a lot of testers were RIF'd, fired or left, including some very high-caliber STE's. One of the biggest mistakes MS has made.
mini: "Praise the Lord for competition. Without some light to shine the way, we really tend to get lost in our own initiatives. Think of pre-reset Longhorn. Think of post-IE6 (Blake Ross, I've got a hug with your name on it). So I'm thankful for Google, Facebook, Apple, and Adobe. And Amazon. And Nintendo."
And don't forget the olpc XO laptop, which is about ten times as innovative as anything Microsoft has produced (except x-box) for decades.
"DRM die-off?" This is bad news for Microsoft, since a key part of its plan was to use DRM to lock everyone into its software.
"I don't believe we are perceived as the Evil Empire anymore."
Really? What about Opera's recent complaint to the EU competition commission, or the ongoing controversies over Microsoft's attempt to ram OOXML through the ISO? I have observed that Microsoft employees have a very hard time understanding why the corporation is viewed as evil. Whatever the company is doing at present is always viewed as entirely legitemate, and it only after a practice is stopped that sometimes Microsofties will admit it was wrong.
By the way, there is a connection between this moral blindness and the problems that mini and others complain about. A corporation that is amoral in its business practices will also likely have amoral managers who screw everyone else as they carry out their ambitions.
I'm sorry about the OOBE experience too. The perf team is doing some work to present OEMs with data about what crapware is relatively less intrusive than others.
There's no forcible action we can take though, because of the anti-trust rulings. The ostensible purpose of the pre-2000 OEM agreements were to keep the Windows desktop and Microsoft branding from being replaced by a OEM billboard. We lost on that one because it prevented Netscape at the same time. Now we have no Netscape, but plenty of billboards :(.
>> stop fighting standards (existing ones) for office products,
>> allow free POP access for Live mail and don't tie other Live
>> functionality to Windows and you will make a fanboy out of me
>> once again
+1 here. And fix both Vista and Windows Mobile. They've devolved into crap that even I (a Microsoft employee) wouldn't want to use even if someone paid me.
Office 14 kicks major ass, though. Take some of that and rub it into Windows and we might have a winner on our hands. Not quite Win 95 kind of winner, but at least something non-embarrassing.
And while you're at it, hire some good design people from Apple and put them firmly in charge of user experience.
Mini,
It's a sad fact but Microsoft's reputation as the 'Evil Empire' will not go away any time soon. It's a truism of business and customer relations that bad experiences are remembered much longer than good ones and it only takes one bad experience to negate those good ones.
Having said that, I truly hope that Microsoft can recapture some of its old magic. As a long time Mac user, I can still remember the joy of using Word 5.1 on my Mac for the first time. It was WYSIWYG, it 'just worked', it was lean - the very opposite of bloated and never crashed - everything a well written program should be. I have no doubt that there are current MS products that have elements of that today. But I (and many others) have moved on and it will take a huge effort to try and win us back.
Best of luck to all of you.
DD
As far as testing, yeah; MS made a heavy, heavy investment in test automation. Certainly for Windows; don't know about other divisions. The upshot was that a lot of testers were RIF'd, fired or left, including some very high-caliber STE's. One of the biggest mistakes MS has made.
It's not that automation is "bad" in and of itself, like any other tool.
The problem is that the people who were "selling" their vision were - and still are - too egocentric to present a balanced view on what could be achieved with their vision.
The outcome was the simplistic belief by those wielding the purse-strings that all testing aside from automation development could be offloaded to anyone, regardless of background or testing skill level.
The remedy is to have a solid core of folks in test leadership positions who really (and recently) know and understand test. In that regard, Windows is already screwed.
"I'm sorry about the OOBE experience too. The perf team is doing some work to present OEMs with data about what crapware is relatively less intrusive than others. "
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OEM's don't care :) been there ... i work at intel and had to go to a major OEM last year on performance issues with our 07 platform (they were complaining were a result of our boards/sw). When confronted with facts that in fact it was a combination of bad bundling (their sw, antivirus sw and custom performance apps they wrote) they simply said "fix your stuff or we wont ship your stuff".
One of the field team members said it was not a technical right or wrong debate ... it was about $$$$ they make "peanuts" but in massive volume by shipping n^n the number of craplets (even if they are trialware)..
good luck with your push ..
>Really? What about Opera's recent complaint to the EU competition commission, or the ongoing controversies over Microsoft's attempt to ram OOXML through the ISO?
I wonder where all these complainers about OOXML were when IBM was ramming ODF through OASIS. Or is railroading your spec through the standards process and getting your proprietary technology rubber stamped as a standard only EVIL if you are Microsoft?
The crap out-of-box Windows experience is a manifestation of the fact that most users have very little control over what happens in Windows.
Why doesn't Windows come with a good, user-friendly tool to control what runs automatically at startup? Why isn't there a tool to find out what each system tray icon does and control its visibility? Why is "Add/Remove Programs" buried in the control panel? (Also, why does it have an unintuitive name and look/work like a piece of bad shareware?) Why isn't there a good tool for cleaning and organizing the All Programs menu? Why is it so hard to control what program runs "automagically" when a basic action is performed, like inserting a CD or plugging in a camera?
No wonder average users get so frustrated with Windows. Microsoft has made it so difficult and unintuitive to control what goes on that unless you're some kind of black-belt-ninja-hacker, the best you can do is cross your fingers, click on whatever seems good at the time, and repave your machine every year or two.
No wonder average users get so frustrated with Windows. Microsoft has made it so difficult and unintuitive to control what goes on that unless you're some kind of black-belt-ninja-hacker, the best you can do is cross your fingers, click on whatever seems good at the time, and repave your machine every year or two.
I'd like to state for the record that after a year of regular use, my Mom -- a reasonably savvy regular computer user -- is still unable to wrap her head around the ways that iTunes interacts with her iPod. The iPod/iTunes interaction model is completely whackjob.
Microsoft does not have a lock on confusing the "average" user with their products. :P
I always wonder if J Allard and co were funded by a real VC (not uncle Bill) for the Zune venture, whether they would have produced the same product?
Would they have got the funding even?
Why doesn't Windows come with a good, user-friendly tool to control what runs automatically at startup? Why isn't there a tool to find out what each system tray icon does and control its visibility?...
Because OEMs wouldn't like such a tool, and OEMs are who pay the freight at MSFT. Seriously - you wonder why Apple has better (and more frequent) commercials than Microsoft? Apple is a consumer electronics company that sells to consumers while Microsoft is a supplier that sells to OEMs. OEMs want to ship as much pre-installed crap as they can get paid for. If the pre-installed crap can be too easily uninstalled, the OEMs won't get paid for it, and so won't ship the new MSFT OS with the handy de-crapify tool.
XBOX has some pricing problems, but despite the RROD issues is a popular, even loved, MSFT product. It is also one of the few areas where MSFT is the ultimate producer and not just a part of the supply chain.
One lesson MSFT needs to learn is that the 90's, where MSFT the supplier was a bigger name with the public than any of the OEM producers, was an anomoly, and an unstable situation. The AT trial was but one manifestation of that instability.
More common is something like Panasonic plasma tvs. You can buy a Panasonic. Or you can buy a Toshiba, JVC or Fujitsu, but you'd still be getting a Panasonic screen, since they OEM to the others.
Definitely agreement on some of the good things outlined in this post, like competition and Zune.
As for the bad things, 2 biggies:
1. Simplicity. We must simplify our user experience not only thru good design and practices but thru a way more simplistic product strategy. I have a good bunch of apple products, including a desktop and a phone, and the comparison across experiences in both platforms is simply embarrassing for microsoft.
2. Culture. Our totally disrespectful email centric culture has to be eliminated. All those meetings (90%) where someone talks to himself while others do email have to stop. No laptop in meetings policy should be enforced across the company. If we can't listen to ourselves, is someone really expecting us to listen to our customers?
Why doesn't Windows come with a good, user-friendly tool to control what runs automatically at startup? ...
Because OEMs wouldn't like such a tool, and OEMs are who pay the freight at MSFT.
I'm not buying it. The OEMs have no practical choice but to bundle Windows. If Microsoft wants to make Windows easier to use, the OEMs will have to accept that. (That's purportedly what we do with every new version anyway, right?)
I think what's more likely is that the PMs in Windows are oblivious to the problems of the common user. Or if they recognize the problems, they think it either comes down to user error ("we already have add/remove programs, what dumbass doesn't use that?") or they come up with half-assed fixes. ("Too many confusing icons in the system tray? Let's automatically hide them, instead of giving users a tool that lets them understand and control the icons.")
"I'm sure you iPod fans just had to spit out three mouthfuls of foamy indignation"
What a peculiar thing to assume. Why would we care what other people spend their money on?
I bought my first iPod, and each one since then, because they appealed to *me*, not because anyone else liked them.
"Would they have got the funding even?"
That depends on the VC, of course. As Nolan Bushnel has pointed out, a lot of VCs really aren't very bright. They'll follow fads, and if Apple's made a couple billion dollars with a music player, then some of them might assume that if you spend x dollars on advertising in a market of size y, you'll get z million bucks back.
Anyone who's had a really novel idea and tried to pitch it to a VC can tell you just how small-minded they are.
"Both MS and Toshiba should be ashamed."
Sorry, I don't agree with half of that statement. How can Toshiba make the initial user experience any better, when Microsoft comes down like a ton of bricks on any OEM who even pre-installs an app on the desktop that MS doesn't like?
Ok, it's Toshiba's fault for putting up with such a lousy OS vendor, but you pretty much have to be IBM or a tiny mom-and-pop screwdriver shop if you're going to get anywhere with Linux.
"OEMs want to ship as much pre-installed crap as they can get paid for."
Umm... Since nearly all of the profit margin in a PC sale goes to MS, who can blame them for that?
Any PC maker besides Apple (and Alienware before Dell screwed them up) is scraping by on razor-thin margins, so much so that they can't even afford to make the cases for their laptops out of polycarbonate instead of polystyrene. Have you picked up a Sony VAIO laptop lately? They're *flimsy*.
Welcome back, Mini. Good luck with the duct tape. And great topic!
I agree with most of your points, with the exception of "translucency". Your own blog's an example of how futile it is for Microsoft to try to control information; and the security team and Devdiv have shown that in the right climate, transparency doesn't result in leaks. Conversely there are huge costs when you tell your employees that the default is "you shouldn't talk about it". There was an excellent article a few months ago discussing how Microsoft's increasing manipulation of its messages to the blogosphere both reinforces the "evil empire" perception. Just as importantly, a control-based approach sends a continuous message to employees that "we don't trust your judgment" -- and creates a chilling effect for discussions in general, because in a low-trust climate, a desire to control external messages invariably leads to internal secrecy.
In terms of MS as the evil empire, I agree with the commenters that this is something that looks very differently inside and outside Microsoft -- most of the people I talk to see the OOXML fiasco as a lot worse than anything IBM did with ODF. On the whole, though, I think Microsoft has made some good strides in moving to a less-evil image, especially among what they so charmingly refer to as "the elites". This is a place where Google has really helped -- since most people perceive them as both more competent and less subject to government scrutiny (for example, in the privacy space it's Microsoft that's under a consent decree with the FTC, not Google), they're increasingly viewed as more of a threat.
Which leads me to one of the most important things I think is going well: unlike a lot of its competitors Microsoft avoided any high-profile privacy or security fiascos this year. The security differences are most glaring in the OS space, where Apple now appears to be roughly where Microsoft was in early 2002 -- before the "security push" (where they shut down development for two months to focus on security) and XPSP2. In terms of privacy, Microsoft's far from perfect, the attention they've given to this starting in the aftermath of the WMP "phone home" fiasco several years ago means that they've got a substantial advantage. Conversely, Facebook's Beacon and Google's Reader show that these other companies still don't get it. With MoveOn.org's involvement with Beacon, candidates like Ron Paul putting civil liberties on the table as a campaign issue, and the do-not-track registry proposal, privacy's likely to get a lot of attention this year, so hopefully Microsoft can leverage its advantage more strategically than in the past.
It's weird that Mini and all the commenters here have failed to notice the mass exodus from the Xbox team in 2007. By my count, more than 15% of the product team (dev/PM/test) have left Microsoft for Apple, Sony, Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Amazon, and various other companies (including several startups, local and in the Valley).
This is great progress towards a Mini-MSFT!!
(Though, it's mostly bad attrition and has some other negative implications you can work out on your own.)
> Because OEMs wouldn't like such a
> tool
Last time I looked, each and every OEM (except for maybe SUN and of course Apple) is really without an alternative to installing Windows on their PCs and laptops.
And most of the crapplets don't run under Linux either, if one considers Linux an alternative in this scenario.
The AMD5000x2 Dell I bought only really came to life after I added an additional 2 GB of RAM (making it 3 GB total). Having Google Desktop and the Vista Desktop Search both index your harddrive at the same time probably didn't help that situation.
(But I only used Vista to update the BIOS and the DVD-RW firmware anyway, and to try out Safari for Windows).
The irony being, of course, that this is all an outcome of the Netscape anti-trust lawsuit.
It didn't help Netscape - but it didn't do MSFT any good either, as it seems.
Any PC maker besides Apple (and Alienware before Dell screwed them up) is scraping by on razor-thin margins,
That is not Microsoft's fault (though it may be MSFTs problem). How is it that OEMs got themselves trapped in a commodity market? And regardless of the answer, how does making your product less attractive get you out of the mess? Turning a commodity product into an advertising vehicle is a short term solution at best.
I'm not buying it. The OEMs have no practical choice but to bundle Windows. If Microsoft wants to make Windows easier to use, the OEMs will have to accept that...
No, not really. As the first reply I quoted points out, OEMs are not exactly raking in the cash. They're in a thin margin business and could easily decide they have better uses for that factory space (assuming they're even still making their own boxes and haven outsoured that, in which case it's even easier to opt out of the market). There's no law (of man or market) that says Dell and HP always need to sell PCs.
Besides, in the A-T climate, a call to the local State AG to complain about Microsoft strong-arming poor widdle HP would cause MSFT all sorts of grief.
I think what's more likely is that the PMs in Windows are oblivious to the problems of the common user.
That too, is part of the problem.
Bottom line, MSFT doesn't have as much control over OEMs as people think, and in the wake of the A-T case, it has even less than it used to. And in the past, hasn't had the right people (e.g. Windowss PMs) to chart a course out of the mess.
Now, to be fair to the Windows PMs, (and GPMs, GMs, etc.), almost all of them are reasonably smart, and most of them are even well-intentioned. But they have been far too short-sighted to deal with the quality problems. To fix this, MSFT needs to get it's leadership thinking much longer-term. The answer to "What's going well" will be a much longer list if MSFT can do that.
>>How can Toshiba make the initial user experience any better, when Microsoft comes down like a ton of bricks on any OEM who even pre-installs an app on the desktop that MS doesn't like?<<
I'm fairly young...where can I get an example of this behavior?
What else is going well? The stock is up a nice 20% for the year; Oh I wish they would bring back the options back again.... :)
> Why doesn't Windows come with a good, user-friendly tool to control what runs automatically at startup? Why isn't there a tool to find out what each system tray icon does and control its visibility? Why is "Add/Remove Programs" buried in the control panel? (Also, why does it have an unintuitive name and look/work like a piece of bad shareware?) Why isn't there a good tool for cleaning and organizing the All Programs menu? Why is it so hard to control what program runs "automagically" when a basic action is performed, like inserting a CD or plugging in a camera?
I don't think it's that simple. You're talking about users who often don't know where their files are stored (My Documents or the Desktop, but they "just appear" to them), who think that the blue e is "the internet" rather than Internet Explorer. Trying to make it easy enough for these people to "clean up" without destroying things is really hard.
It would be better to make a system that doesn't need cleaning up, but that would be really hard - especially if it has to be open to the third-party software of the user's choice.
Worse, this system also has to be useful to the expert user, who wants to really be able to control the system. The only way I can see for this to work is something like the idea of "progressive disclosure" - hide almost everything from the user (and do it all for him/her), but have an easy-to-activate expert mode (or several, one for each area of functionality) that lets the user play with the power tools.
MSS
I don't think it's that simple. You're talking about users who often don't know where their files are stored (My Documents or the Desktop, but they "just appear" to them), who think that the blue e is "the internet" rather than Internet Explorer. Trying to make it easy enough for these people to "clean up" without destroying things is really hard.
This is just the kind of attitude that would result in the current mess. Users are idiots, so let's make a bunch of band-aid knee-jerk "automagic" usability fixes instead of good, solid, easy-to-use tools that regular users can find and use to learn about their computers.
I wonder how much Microsoft's product design has caused the dumbing down of today's computer users. You mention that users often don't know where they save files--well, why would they? My Documents comes up automatically in the Save dialog and there are only subtle UI indications of where they are or how to get back there.
You should see the glee that "Average Joe" users experience when they first download a file using Firefox--"hey, look, it showed up right there on my desktop!"
It's not that people are idiots and can't learn about computers, it's that Microsoft, with all its good intentions, just makes the process that much more difficult.
Inspired by this and some of the other end-of-year roundups, I started up a thread on Liminal States called Microsoft 2008: Where are the opportunities? and seeded it with a few initial thoughts: put the user truly in control of their information, make Live the best front end to the network-of-networks, and abandon DRM. Arguably based on the discussion so far here, "assist an open source effort to release an easy-to-use tool that helps everybody, experts and normal users, regain control over their system". MSS is right that there are a lot of complexities here; seems like it's worth trying ...
Anyhow, opinions welcome!
jon
Since MSFT happily tie users hands with licensing, couldn't MSFT use liscencing to help users get rid of this preinstalled crap? How about enforcing computer manufacters to at least ship a "clean" Windows installation CD/DVD or a option to opt-out 3d party crapware during installation?
Actually, this was all related to the DOJ case and enforcing this is specifically forbidden. Of course, the option would be cool.
I recently bought a Sony and it was almost rendered useless by crapware - some of which was pretty hard to uninstall.
John X,
A bump in the year when MS *finally* shipped a new version of windows isn't a whole lot to write home about, when you consider how dismally MSFT has been underperforming the NASDAQ since Ballmer got the CEO gig.
Check the five-year chart at google finance. MSFT up 34.42%, and the NASDAQ was up 83.2%.
MSFT hasn't been a growth stock for at least five years now, and it's time for them to switch gears and become a dividend stock.
>OEMs want to ship as much pre-installed crap as they can get paid for
Enter Dell's Vostro models.. Perhaps its too little too late.
RE: OEM's razor thin profits.
That is not Microsoft's fault (though it may be MSFTs problem).
This is a huge problem for msft. If OEM's aren't profitable/successful, what do you think that means for msft? Same goes for the mobile space - what kind of profit do you think partners are seeing from selling WM devices?
I love my 80G zune. The only bummer is the accessory scene is super weak. Video coversion: use Handbrake(free) or Nero Recode or if you must go to WMV: use TMPEGEnc Express 4, excellent. I do wish the PC software had more options for filtering your browse view. Other than that it's awesome. Trivia: the Zune client and Media Center use the same rendering engine.
I loved the post, I love this company, and I am critical… you touched on something that really hit home, why I think I work for the greatest (or soon to be greatest) company on earth. Yes Microsoft has been viewed as the evil empire. Why? Google was and is a great competitor, as an American citizen their technology and popularity has allowed something incredible to take place. The media had been dangerously in control (and still is) of information, and things that I learn about constantly using Google, and the last couple months almost always using MSN Search (relevancy is outstanding, way to go!), were never possible before, and accessible to everyone.
I loved Ozzie’s speech at the company meeting, and to me, he hit home on the reason this company will ultimately help to save our country and life as we know it. If you think this sounds crazy, you have no idea what's going on in the world and in the US. But that's not a subject for this blog! Back to the subject of MS.
I feel that we are failing to differentiate ourselves from Google on one key aspect, something I’m very disappointed in our leadership over. On one hand, our technologies enable people to find information, form opinions, and communicate, but our advertising technology is just the same as Google. We track what you do, we ‘protect’ your identity (do we REALLY?), but in reality we secretly monitor your activities, and we DO NOT disclose what we know about you. I hope that this company realizes what an opportunity there is to really make an impact, a positive impact for freedom and democracy, and how it has to take this very seriously, and so far, it hasn’t. At least I haven’t. There are very simple technical approaches that will maximize ad revenue AND protect the user’s information, ads that actually benefit users. Microsoft is a company that can be the innovator here, but it is too conservative, and a follower, and just won’t, and I think that’s sad. People up above are too afraid to do anything bold!
Speaking of the power of information, I want to ask Microsoft to host an event, by Richard Gage, who has agreed to come do a lecture in Seattle, and I wanted very much for that to be on campus. I won’t mention what Gage’s topic is, you can Live Search the controversial subject and this blog is certainly not the place for that. Does anyone have some kind advice for me, who I would ask, where I would pursue getting Microsoft to host this event?
No, Microsoft is not the evil empire. It’s perception is changing. But here is a prophecy for the world, Microsoft will soon become the greatest. What’s great? Promoting freedom of information, privacy, rights, choice, empowering users, exchanging ideas. I loved the part of the post where you talked about our competitors, and view that as healthy – I applaud this. We could be better than Google, but what is greatness? We all have our own definition, and I think I’m at the right company.
Does anyone have some advice for me, regarding how to get Microsoft to host an engineering presentation by Richard Gage? Where and who do I ask? I'd greatly appreciate it.
It's pathetic how MS people blame others for a lousy UI experience. Yes, the government forced you to play with others. Wah wah. Yes, OEMs have thin margins and want to clutter up my system.
Like one or two other posters said, there's a lot MS *can* do once you stop making stupid whiny excuses.
Make Add/Remove USEFUL. It's for end users. Let us uninstall multiple programs at a time, for example.
Make Windows far better at cleaning up after programs. No excuses; you came up with private, secured storage for ClickOnce apps, for example, as well as other "transparent" interception layers so you know you can do this.
Prevent registry cruft. It's simply unbelievable that nothing is in Windows to clean up/defrag/optimize the registry, which leads to performance degradation over time.
Put a decent "time machine" into Windows. System restore is a useless joke. Apple's time machine is slightly better (and much easier to use than System Restore, which in MS typical fashion is scattered across a control panel and a totally separate, deeply nested Start menu app). If you want to see how to do it right, look at VMWare Workstation's snapshot manager, which is infinitely better than anything in Windows or Virtual PC's awful similar feature.
Stop with the stupid excuses. Come up with ideas like any customer with a valid product key can download a clean .iso of their OS. And for God's sake, make activation and product key use more convenient; why doesn't Windows show me anywhere what my product key is instead of forcing me to haul my PC with the oh-so-conveniently located sticker (usually underneath or in the back) out of its resting place?
There is so much more MS could but won't do to make Windows better and more pleasant to use. It's really disheartening to see the level of "blame others" and "it's not our fault" and "we can't do anything". Where have all your can-do people gone?
You mentioned Radiohead.
For those who don't know, this groundbreaking band from 1991 on 10/10/07 released their new album from their website for 128 kb mp3 download, using a pay whatever you feel like scheme. They also made a US$80 discbox set available that was a beautiful boxed set of 2 CDs, 2 vinyls and a buttload of artwork.
The major difference here is that before the album's release, they ended up not renegotiating (and failed actually) with their parent corporate label EMI, and settled with a somewhat independent label to not only distribute their album (CD) in stores to retain literally full creative control and ownership of their songs.
Radiohead likely didn't care or want DRM on the first release MP3s and the discbox official release had no DRM on the CDs
When re-negotiating another contract with EMI, the band wanted ownership and say of their (not entire) back catalog, so in the sense that they wouldn't want a song used in a commercial for instance. EMI accused the band of wanting 10 million UK pounds which the band and their management denied, and claimed Guy (new head of EMI) had his head up his arse so to speak.
2. Culture. Our totally disrespectful email centric culture has to be eliminated. All those meetings (90%) where someone talks to himself while others do email have to stop. No laptop in meetings policy should be enforced across the company.
Outstanding insight. I would add the need to turn off cell phones in meetings, along with the laptops. If the meeting doesn't deserve your full attention, should you even be meeting in the first place?
No laptop in meetings policy should be enforced across the company.
Only if managers can be fired for reprimanding or punishing others for not attending a meeting.
Or people are allowed to snore audibly. Your choice. :)
Richard Gage?
Oh gees, I can't resist.
But no time in this blog to talk about what Ozzie said about the company saving the country?!
MM: I think you've been had. If you get someone like Gage, at least consider rebuttal time:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/06/richard-gage-aia-and-crackpot.html
Anyway, I really WOULD be interested in Ozzie's remarks. Are they published anywhere?
I'm not an MS employee. But I was a fan once. Long ago.
Long ago, in Windows 3.1 days Bill Gates wrote a nice one page memo explaining that the old PC operating systems (DOS primarily) didn't do enough. He was right. Each application (Wordperfect, Lotus 123 were popular at the time) had to have it's own screen drivers, it's own printer drivers, etc. Gates pointed out that this was rightfully the duty of the OS to smooth out hardware issues and provide a standard interface to standard devices. He was absolutely right, and Windows, primitive as it was, was the only thing on the market attempting to offer such functionality. (An alternative from IBM at the time called (I think) TopView, was little more than a GUI file selector.
I ran out and got my first version of Windows. Even though my PC at the time was woefully inadequate, I upgraded it to run OS/2 (while it was still a joint MS/IBM effort), then got a new PC to continue running first OS/2 (from IBM) then Windows NT, then 2000. While I used 2000 for quite some time, it's really been downhill since NT.
The move of video drivers to protected space made my system unstable (including file corruption) and while better drivers solved this problem, I realized that the high minded philosophy in Gate's memo was no longer (if it had ever been) a motivating factor in design decisions at Microsoft (HEY! Let's make GAMES run faster on business machines!).
In spite of poor implementation decisions (don't get me started on the registry!), even some of the general design concepts for PC based systems still made sense at the time. Client/Server architecture and the need to keep certain business processes decidedly OFF the users machine made a lot of sense, as did the need, even with faster and faster systems, to consider distributing processes, load balancing,etc.
Back then, it seemed to me that it was still mostly the IBM people, and others associated with OS/2 that were contributing to this public dialog on the PCs place in the grand scheme of things. Nowadays, while MS people show up at events and submit papers I have a distinct feeling that nothing coming out of MS is for the "common good" if it doesn't coincidentally serve the company's interest (please, no need to remind me of Gate's charity, I'm speaking here only of technical contributions).
Which brings me to "the good of the country". When I was a Computer Sciences undergraduate (70s) we used mainframes and mid-sized computers to learn on, from companies such as DEC and IBM. Oh how lucky I feel that those companies didn't feel the way Microsoft does about its products. Otherwise, like a lot of todays youth, I would feel that computers, while very interesting were mystical beasts to which only the clergy had access. No, I had (in my particular case) IBM source code to play with. We made operating system mods just for the learning experience, and the adventurous, would take that to the next step and write machine level code from scratch or optimize schedulers for the school's main computer systems. Where do students today get that sort of experience? From Linux, BSD and other open systems that don't treat the implementation of linked lists as though it were the invention of the wheel!
One reason America is falling behind in computer training is that our kids are too used to seeing the PC as primarily a gaming device, and Microsoft has had a lot to do with this (but no, they are not exclusively to blame). Compare that with other countries where kids are cutting their teeth on older machines, running Linux, and writing device drivers, small footprint applications, language tools. Another area where Linux is popular is for the disabled. Sure Windows has finally caught up in this area, but I know a guy who can program circles around most people (including those at MS) who doesn't use a GUI at all. Totally blind, he needs a screen reader, works entirely in character mode and by necessity, when working on Windows projects can use the sounds from a transistor radio to help diagnose program bugs that stump everyone else. He doesn't use Linux at home because he is an Open Source fanatic, he uses it because that is what is available to him, and by and large, as time goes on, I think he's gotten the better end of the deal from Microsoft's "translucency".
As a company, you are wrong in thinking that openness is a concession, a favor to the world. It is just the opposite. Mods that people like me made to IBM software routinely found their way back into the base distribution, and I guarantee that some of them would never have originated at IBM. There is a whole world that Microsoft has cut itself off from by its Gollum-like behavior. The world does not need Microsoft. Best to get that idea right out of your heads.
It's really disheartening to see the level of "blame others" and "it's not our fault" and "we can't do anything". Where have all your can-do people gone?
They went to startups, because there is no opportunity for wealth at Microsoft anymore. Microsoft is now a 9-5 (or 11-7 for devs) company. The fire is out.
Speaking of the power of information, I want to ask Microsoft to host an event, by Richard Gage, who has agreed to come do a lecture in Seattle, and I wanted very much for that to be on campus. I won’t mention what Gage’s topic is, you can Live Search the controversial subject and this blog is certainly not the place for that. Does anyone have some kind advice for me, who I would ask, where I would pursue getting Microsoft to host this event?
Richard Gage is a "WTC controlled demolition" wacko. Assuming you do actually work for MS, you must be a PURE hire.
Speaking of the power of information, I want to ask Microsoft to host an event, by Richard Gage, who has agreed to come do a lecture in Seattle, and I wanted very much for that to be on campus. I won’t mention what Gage’s topic is, you can Live Search the controversial subject and this blog is certainly not the place for that.
Particularly given that you'd have no defense for any attack on a vulture like Gage:
http://911guide.googlepages.com/ae911truth
(Mini, may I suggest you delete at least the "Richard Gage" portion of the previous post, as well as any followups on that topic, including this one?)
Lately, minimsft almost fell off my radar. The latest post resonates 100% with my understanding of Microsof internals. Mini - you gained my trust again. For now :-)
If someone is in a meeting but using the time to catch up on email (via their laptop) or phone calls, the person running the meeting should just kick them out. They clearly don't want to be there and don't care about the meeting anyway. That should be recorded somewhere as well.
It's not fair on other people in the meeting, people who may actually care about the outcome, for some to waste their time and create distractions.
There's no excuse either. If you accept the invite, you're promising your full presence. If you can't give that, refuse. If you don't have the wherewithal to refuse a meeting that you don't want or need to attend, then you're probably in need of some help in being assertive.
This is a behaviour I loathe, but I know ways to stop it when it happens (thanks GE facilitation training!)
Why doesn't Windows come with a good, user-friendly tool to control what runs automatically at startup? Why isn't there a tool to find out what each system tray icon does and control its visibility?
I'm going to assume you're not using Vista. Open up the control panel, and in the new view (not "classic") there's a section named "Programs" with two links under it. The second link is "Change startup programs", and takes you into Windows Defender's Software Explorer, which classifies all of your startup apps by manufacturer and gives you a ton of information about them. If you're a "normal" user, I'd say it's fair to assume anything that's not from Microsoft, Google, Adobe, or Apple is probably something you'd consider removing, and you'd only have to look at the more extensive information if you like. For each item there are also three buttons: Remove, Disable (in case you're not sure and want to be able to easily revert your change), and Enable (to revert a Disable). This should be easier to get to (if you use Control Panel in classic mode or as a menu off of the Start menu it's unclear which option gets you into Windows Defender Software Explorer), but the functionality itself is great.
Why is "Add/Remove Programs" buried in the control panel? (Also, why does it have an unintuitive name and look/work like a piece of bad shareware?)
Where do you want it to be? It makes sense for it to be in the Control Panel, because it's for controlling your system. The Vista name ("Programs and Features") is just as bad as "Add/Remove Programs", and the UI has a different level of suck (rather than being the craptastic HTML-rendered XP panel, it's now a proper Explorer window but entries load asynchronously and cause the list to bounce around as apps are added in alphabetical order).
Why isn't there a good tool for cleaning and organizing the All Programs menu?
At least for me, the All Programs menu has become completely useless with Vista's integrated search. I don't have to dig around to find what I want. I just start typing, and the ridiculously fast search on my 2.5 year old laptop pulls up results and refines them as I keep typing. We should do more with searching and less with hierarchical menus, IMHO.
Why is it so hard to control what program runs "automagically" when a basic action is performed, like inserting a CD or plugging in a camera?
On the Control Panel, either click "Play CDs and other media automatically" in the new view or "AutoPlay" in the classic/menu view, and you're taken to a great tool that shows you all of the different types of autoplayable media your PC knows about (standard stuff like audio vs. data CD, but also devices you've connected like a camera or iPhone), with independent options for each. Again, surfacing this is an issue (I don't recall being able to go to this app with a single click when presented with the "Ask me" default autoplay dialog), but the functionality is all there.
No wonder average users get so frustrated with Windows. Microsoft has made it so difficult and unintuitive to control what goes on that unless you're some kind of black-belt-ninja-hacker, the best you can do is cross your fingers, click on whatever seems good at the time, and repave your machine every year or two.
Or you could go into the friendly new Vista Control Panel view and follow links in descriptive English (or whatever language you're using). I don't have to know that PCs call it "AutoPlay". I just click on the link that says "Play CDs and other media automatically". I don't need to know that Add/Remove Programs is now "Programs and Features" or that I can open it quickly just by running appwiz.cpl. I click on the descriptive text of "Uninstall a program" when I want to uninstall a program, and I'm done.
For all of the bashing Vista gets, it's obvious that many people haven't taken the time to see what Vista actually does do better.
Such hostility about people not paying attention during meetings. I would have thought that these people would be grateful for a clear-cut metric that tells them whether or not the meeting is useful for anyone.
I think many of these people calling for strict meeting rules should be careful what they wish for. They may find themselves begging door to door to get any attendance.
No laptop in meetings policy should be enforced across the company.
Or, maybe you might want to confirm whether people in meetings might be using their laptops for something productive (such as taking notes, or following the meeting lead's PowerPoint presentation online because it's easier for them to read that way).
In other words, don't assume that everyone who brings a laptop to a meeting is surfing and reading e-mail. Creating global policies to forbid laptops in meetings to address individual behaviors, is just plain silly. 1:1 conversations might be a better way to handle true offenders who are actually surfing and e-mailing, rather than taking notes or following the meeting.
If you don't have the wherewithal to refuse a meeting that you don't want or need to attend, then you're probably in need of some help in being assertive.
That ain't necessarily so. One of my previous managers *required* that people attend certain meetings, to the point where meeting attendance is included in their commitments. Some managers might reinforce that requirement in other ways. In my view, that's a lame management practice, but it is a practice that might also preclude the person from refusing to attend meetings.
Frankly, I believe that many teams enforce a culture of having too many meetings, at the expense of actual, focused work. Our energies would be better spent on creating better software.
For example: I'd like Vista to run better on X64. After months of frustration and lack of driver support, I finally gave up, wiped my system clean, and installed 32-bit Vista. My system is much happier now, but I wish that the 64-bit version was more stable and had better driver support. If that were the case, I'd continue to use it.
> For all of the bashing Vista gets, it's obvious that many people haven't taken the time to see what Vista actually does do better.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are computer savvy people who just didn't know that Vista can do those things. And that's the problem (not just with Vista). It can do nifty things, with useful and helpful UI, but I can't find the starting point. And I get told, "the starting point for that particular task is at this location". For each task, I have to learn (and remember) the starting point to get to it.
What I want to see is a list of common tasks, in plain English (or other language), that lets me click on the task that I want to do, and it will bring up the OS's nifty and intuitive way of doing it. Sounds like Vista made progress on the "nifty and intuitive" front, but I still have to find the goodies. Make a hot-linked list, put it a couple of prominent places (desktop and start menu, probably), and then people - even computer illiterate - only have one place they go to be able to do all the stuff that the OS lets them do, but they can never figure out where to go to get started.
MSS
As far as testing, yeah; MS made a heavy, heavy investment in test automation. Certainly for Windows; don't know about other divisions. The upshot was that a lot of testers were RIF'd, fired or left, including some very high-caliber STE's. One of the biggest mistakes MS has made.
Thanks for the kind words, but let's not re-hash that one again. Learn and move on. It was 2 yrs ago. Many of us who were RIF'd have been back since as CSG, and even FTE. Most found positions paying considerably higher paying than when they were lowly 58 FTE peons. Many are paid better than the now low-bar 59 SDET, and even several Test Lead roles. Quite a few of those that survived the RIFs have since left.
What's really funny in a 'karma biting you in the a$$' kind of way is taking a dance through the GAL and HT and seeing where our former fearless bosses are now.
Several of the people who tagged us as not worthy of staying on, with no career velocity, and no hope of getting ahead, etc, i.e. Kims, are now pretty much at the same level and title as before.
Now, I'm part of an actual 'team' (heh, remember that term and how you tossed it out so eagerly in interviews when you werer still fresh and young?)in a much better group, in a much less hostile org , getting paid much better than I was as a lowly STE.
I just love driving home to my family in time for dinner EVERY DAY. Just for grins, I drive past my old bldg every once in a while. I love to see my old bosses still in their offices. Getting paid less than I do, working more hours than I do, and going nowhere in their MS careers, like I was.
Good post, Mini. Great to see you back. Also encouraging that you're seeing some positive developments.
If you don't have the wherewithal to refuse a meeting that you don't want or need to attend, then you're probably in need of some help in being assertive.
Some folks are required to attend meetings "to represent" a team, and/or to have "visibility" even if their participation during the meeting is null or so brief that it provides no value whatsoever. That's just the way it is nowadays.... sad but true.
It's weird that Mini and all the commenters here have failed to notice the mass exodus from the Xbox team in 2007. By my count, more than 15% of the product team (dev/PM/test) have left Microsoft for Apple, Sony, Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Amazon, and various other companies (including several startups, local and in the Valley).
That's depressing. I know two who left Xbox last year, and they were two of the best engineers at Microsoft. I didn't realize their departures was part of a larger trend. What's going on over in Millennium? What does this mean for Xbox 720 (or whatever the heck they'll name it?)
In other words, don't assume that everyone who brings a laptop to a meeting is surfing and reading e-mail. Creating global policies to forbid laptops in meetings to address individual behaviors, is just plain silly.
Yeah, what rock do you think we crawled out from under? This is what people *always* say when you talk about banning laptops. "I'm taking notes" or "looking up the Web site." 99% of the time they are not doing that, unless they are the designated note-taker for the meeting (how many meetings do you attend where there is someone actually tasked with taking notes and writing down who will do what and by when? (silence)).
It's just to provide a rationale for bringing the laptop and using the time "productively" period. And if you think it doesn't drive the people who are trying to pay attention NUTS to hear that constant clack-clack-clack (whether you're "taking notes" - cough, cough - or catching up on your e-mail - bingo!), you've lost the ability to put yourself in anyone else's shoes.
Out with you already! Call in to the meeting and put it on speaker/mute if you have to do other work during the meeting time. Don't wreck the meeting for everyone else around you! Goes double and triple for the "all hands" meetings where people attend just to show that they're "team players" and then spend the ENTIRE time head-down, clacking away on their laptops. And not even in the back of the room, but right in the middle. Can't even hear the speaker if one of those clackers is next to you!!
I say again: stay in your office and call or Live Meeting in, and spare the rest of us your noise and clear lack of interest in being there. Or maybe the new buildings should all include "quiet rooms" for the must-have-laptop folks to clack away amongst themselves, with one-way speakers from the real conference room and a button they can push if they're taking a break from clacking and want to pipe up with something (though it's likely to be the same poin